GT's large reef tank

[Garry thomas]

Hello , i'd like to introduce myself, my name is Garry Thomas and i live in deepest South Wales. Here are the specs of my tank as follows.
Main tank 11ft x 2.5 x2.5 with a 62x27.5 x 20 high" sump 2.5ft of the sump is a refugium. Plus there is an extra sump 30 x30 x27 (90gal) Hopefully an extra 2000 ltrs to go on line, within the next 2 months. Wife permitting As i will be converting half the garage to a filtration room. Fed up with the noisy skimmer in the house.
LIGHTING
5 x 400 watt lowbays with 10.000k blv lamps
4 x 140 watt phillips o3 actinics
7 x 18 watt 4300k over refugium and other sump
WATER MOVEMENT
7 x aquaclear 5000's
3 x aqua b 3000's
2 x 6100 tunzes on controller 7094 all other pumps, are pulsed by the octopuss computer. Soon to be upgraded to 4
GEAR IN SUMP
1 Oase 7500 return pump, which is hard piped, back to the tank.
1 eheim hobby pump, feeding the fluidised bed full of rowa
1 maxijet1250 which pumps, the fresh water in for my evap, from a 2x2x1 tank.

HEATING
Various makes of heater totaling 2000 watts.
COOLING
4x6inch fans in the hood
2x6inch fans in the sump cab
1x16 inch fan over left side of sump
1x16fan constantly on blowing at side of tank and skimmer, supplemented by a 12" blowing at another part of the tank, apart from the 2 i have just mentioned, all fans are controlled by the computer.
CONTROL
All parameter's are controlled by the aquadyne octopucc 3000, heating cooling, wave machine ect.
CALCIUM
There is a Korrallin 4001 reactor, run at 75 bubs of co2 and around80 to 100 on the effluant, which has a kh of 32
Also all the top up water is kalkwasser.
Filtration
There are over 300kgs in the main tank, with some other in the sump with the dsb. Live rock is mainly fuji.
Aquamedic turboflotor 5000 twin skimmer, DSB in sump and refugium which is filled with 3 differant spcs of calerpa.
Prolifera Being the most prolific.
taxifolia
racemosa
The only other bit of usefull kit ( i think) 300 mg ozoniser with 2xairdryers, which are controlled by the redox controller on the octopuss. The o3 is only used to clear the water once a week, not artificially lift redox.
PARAMETERS
salinity 1.025
calcium 460 was 560 when using kalk with vinegar FWIW
po4 0
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 4
temp 27.6 to 28.5
ph 8.1 to 8.6
redox around 350
CLEAN UP CREW
Around 25 various brittle/serpant stars
100odd various turbo.s
70 odd red legs
6 sand sifting star fish
!0 cleaner shrimps
6 blood reds
Fish


FISH INVENTORY LIST

TANGS

7 YELLOW TANGS
1 EMPERER TANG
1 POWDER BLUE
1 LIPSTICK
1 MIMIC 11

ANTHIUS

21 KASHIWAE'S
5 SQUANPINNIS 26


CHROMIS

15 GREEN CHROMIS 15

OTHERS

1 CLEANER WRASS
1 RAINBOW WRASS
2 ZEBRA DARK GOBIE
1 ARROW HEAD GOBIE
2 CLOWN
5 YELLOW CORAL HEAD COBIES
1 STRAWBERRY
1 ROYAL GRAMA
1 FLASH BACK 15

ANGELS
1 juv emperor
1 FLAME ANGEL
1 BI COLOUR ANGEL
1 FIREBALL 4

BUTTERFLIES

1 COPPERBAND BUTTERFLY 1

DAMSELS

8 ASSORTED DAMSELS 8

HAWKFISH

1 FLAME HAWK/SCARLET HAWK 1


TOTAL FISH 81
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
The tank was originally built in feb 02, but i'm afraid it leaked. So it had to be rebuilt. After it all cured ect, i managed to get it up and running april 02.

[pavlo]

Hello Gary and Welcome!

How large is 'large', I am intrigued, any chance of some specs please (thats specifications, not glasses http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

Cheers

Paul

[Alpha]

When GT says large, he really means large guys. Think Tuan Tank large

Alpha http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Darryl]

Gary welcome to UR, I have been following your tank threads on RC, very very impressive, with some great photos, look forward to your input on UR, theres alot of guys on here with big tanks, and I am sure we can learn a little/lot from each other. http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[jamesc]

Darryl,

Ok - I'd like to see these pics. Do you have a link to a thread ?

James.

[Darryl]

James just looked for that thread and couldn't find it, not sure which forum I was in and things move fast at RC The thread and pic posting wasn't started by Gary IIRC so couldn't search for it, some one else will probably find it or Gary will repost on our site, defo worth the wait regards Darryl.

[skimmate]

Try this http://erniesmith.no-ip.com/public....20Wales (http://erniesmith.no-ip.com/public/Ernie%20III/Aquarium/Misc/GT%20S%20Wales/)

[Darryl]

Cheers skimmate, said it would be worth the wait http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mushroom]

Yes seen your tank in Today's Fishkeeper, but I think I've seen it in PFK too? I just browsed at it at WH Smith for a few minutes so can't exactly remember much of it I'm afraid.

[Jawfish]

Yeah its was it Pfk Dec 2002. But those pictures don't do it any justise in comparison to the links skimmate provided!

Wow http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Alpha]

GT's tank http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif (and GT himself u decide which is prettier http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif )

http://erniesmith.no-ip.com/public/Ernie%20III/Aquarium/Misc/GT%20S%20Wales/PC080058.JPG

Alpha

PS I know u linked but I like to see the pictures

[DULUX]

Awesome tank Gary!! Nice to see a fellow welshman doing well!

[MrFish]

That not a tank, its a small indonesian island *http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Napalm Death *http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif are they still going

[bunglehaze]

Im sure I went diving there last year in mexico!

lovely tank GT. Credit to you

cheers
leigh http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Garry thomas]

Thankyou for them kind words and special thanks to alfa, as you know dave i'v taken a lot of flack on reefs.org so ill be trying this one should be better BECAUSE WE ARE BRITISH! speak to you all soon. listen i have only had computer 2 months so you'll have to make some allowances, i'll try to send more pics? *how do i send them on this forum? and yes i did say no I/T skills

[Kevin Douglas]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thankyou for them kind words and speciall thanks to alfa, as you know dave i'v taken a lot of flack on reefs.org so ill be trying this one should be better BECAUSE WE ARE BRITISH! speak to you all soon. listen i have only had comouter 2 months so you'll have to make some allowancses, i'll try to send more pics? *how do i send them on this forum? and yes i did say no I/T skills[/b][/quote]

Hi Gary,

Welcome to UR.

Everyone on this forum had no IT skills until they got on their first computer. So we have all been there.

To find out how to upload pics, Go to the F.A.Q. forum.
Open up the "How to use the uploader", this will give you full instructions.We look forward to some pics from your tank.
Please give us a run down on size, filtration, pumps, skimmer etc.

Atb

[narthur]

Gary i read you had trouble at first with your first tank...had to be rebuilt bet that was a bugger.What did you do with all your stock whilst you transferd from your old tank to your new,,,cos i noticed you had quite a large tank before this new one so you must have had to put your old tank livestock somewhere....and did you encounter any loses,...be interested to know as i'm currently transfering at the mo...cheers oh welcome to UR...think'll you'll like it *seems to be alot of very helpful welcoming people....nic http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif



Last edited by narthur at Jan. 08 2003,20:53

[Garry thomas]

narthur i boarded my fish with my local maidenhead (cwmbran) and the rock went into 45gallon drums with p/heads ect my corals were jammed into a 4x2x2 i lost loads of acropora and other hard corals they were in to confined space? having the first tank leak held things up terribly, loads of stress, not good at all. i had to wait around 3 weeks for them to come back down to sort it out! they did build me a new one, they done everything i wanted! and yes i was more than fussy! 2 weeks curing and then start to fill, i was quite nervous but as you all know it turned out ok. The tanks now been running since april 1st 02 with no losses or suprises.

[Lisa Page]

Garry,

That's quite a tank!! http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif How do you do water changes on that monster (that is if you do them at all)?

Regards

Lisa

[Garry thomas]

Hi lisa! yep i sure do, 90 gals a fortnight religiously! i have a 90 odd gall tank under neath with the other 2 sumps, and thats were my r/o and salt go in mixed and aireated few days!
then pump 90 gals out through patio doors(cleanest drains in the street)....and then vise versa at the same temp and salinity, takes about 40 mins.
mr fish yes they are still GOINGGGGGRRRR UUHhh get my drift? http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[Lisa Page]

Garry,

90 gals!! Hehe, that's the volume of my present tank. http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Regards

Lisa

[tuan]

Garry,
Good plan! You definately HAVE to plan in the water change routine for large tanks!

My WC sump is 169 Imp Gal... so it'll take me 3 days just to fill it with RO. I have no idea how many buckets of salt it'll take each time.. and no idea how long to heat it to temperature! All this to do approx 15-18% change!

Any tips on mixing the salt etc.. quickly?

[Nick Derbyshire]

gary, thats one wicked tank! thats what i wish Mr xmas had brought me instead of this stupid jumper. Nice t shirt too, i also thought they died with Lawnmower death! Anyway you just wait til i get my pictures of my 70 gal system and then your in for a beating http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Cheers
Nick
Can i have a frag of that...... http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Garry thomas]

the advice i give about mixing salt is dont rush! the tank dont like fresh/raw salt mixes. I leave mine in the other sump under the display tank up to about 5 days to a week with a monster p/h to matur, you'll also find after you'v left it , the redox is higher ..GT http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Garry thomas]

i'v ordered 5x 400 watt halides, when i'v fitted them and they have settled down i'll post some new pics....GT

[bunglehaze]

Garry, its showing that the addy dont exist m8, have you got it hosted on the net if so whats the addy for it?

cheers


leigh http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



Last edited by bunglehaze at Jan. 23 2003,15:36

[Garry thomas]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Garry thomas @ Jan. 23 2003,15:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lets see if this works?


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[QUOTE]

[Garry thomas]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Garry thomas @ Jan. 11 2003,06:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the advice i give about mixing salt is dont rush! the tank dont like fresh/raw salt mixes. *I leave mine in the other sump under the display tank up to about 5 days to a week with a monster p/h to matur, you'll also find after you'v left it , the redox is higher ..GT http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/b][/quote]
[QUOTE]testing testing

[Garry thomas]

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[Garry thomas]

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[Garry thomas]

My powder blues still taking a beating off the clown tang http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif B***ard.i'd like to do him. http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif and a little siamese blennie he's doing fine... http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Garry thomas]

some new pics with the 400's http://www.ultimatereef.com/ibv3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/cetre 400.jpg

[Garry thomas]

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[Garry thomas]

More picys

[Garry thomas]

a fishy shot

[Garry thomas]

leather pics

[tufty711]

stunning as usual garry.
what coral is that in the last pic just above left the carpet, it looks like a whitish tree coral thingy, because i bourght one and all it sed was "tree coral"
ant

[Preds]

What species of anthias are they Garry?

[Garry thomas]

Apart from 1 bleeding heart, they are all sqampinnis. But i'm putting some anthius kashiwea's in soon.

[Garry thomas]

Some fish picshttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/fishy5.jpghttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/fishy6.jpghttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/fishy7.jpghttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/milkie.jpg

[Garry thomas]

some old shots with the 150 watt 14.000k'shttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/front 150.jpg
And a shot of my skimmer/ a 5000 twinhttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/5000tn.jpg
And the brains of the out fit an aquadyne octopuss 3000 . :rolleyes:
.http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/aquadyne octopuss 3000.jpg

[craigandsimon]

wicked tank m8 :wub:

si

[Garry thomas]

i'm fed up with the same shots, i'll have to get a camera? :unsure: Trouble is........the kids have got to eat :lol:

[Preds]

No they don't Garry!

Have they got any grandparents? Send the kids to live with them! ;)

[Garry thomas]

HMMMmm worth thinking about m8 :lol: My wife is pretty understanding now mind! she thought i was nuts when i ordered my new sump :wacko: i cant explain to her the benefits/or is that she cant understand the benefits.........i think thats it :)
And she really was'nt happy when i suggested more lights :unsure: :lol:
There's got to be a PHASE 4
phase 1 Tank holding water :lol: cycled and healthy
"" """ 2 new lights 5x 400 watt 6500k
""""""" 3 new bigger sump
"""""" 4 Possibly more lighting, time will tell?
It'll will have been running 1 year, on the 1st of april. so lots of time to experiment.

[Garry thomas]

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/newbrain+acro.JPGsome new shots<img src='http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/new pic brain.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

[Garry thomas]

A nice brain, its too big to be mine :D http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/new shot right.JPGhttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/brain lrg.jpg

[DemLotCrew]

garry now your showing off ;)

[17000ltrs]

getting better all the time

mark

[Grahammc]

Hi Garry

Do you fancy sorting out my tank as the picture of yours is awesome. That tank is one very big credit to you mate without a dought.

Graham. :wub:

[Garry thomas]

Gra thats what it's on here for m8, it's nice to have it appreciated by others.

[Cudders]

Garry,

Absolutely Superb! No other words for it......except maybe I'M JEALOUS :D

Mark

[Garry thomas]

My new sump, came this morning. Keith from windsor aquatics built and delivered it, personally. Cant wait now to fit , i mean squeeze and struggle to get it under there :lol: New tanks look great, dont they! post some pics when i get it sorted.

[Sahin]

GT you have one of the most awesome tanks I've seen. That baby is a very pretty setup!
Man, thats my dream tank! :)

[lukmek]

Hi Gary,
post the pics!!!
Welcome to the board
cheers
Lukmek

[Garry thomas]

Thanks sahin i'm glad you like it, in 2 days it will be 1 year old. Lukmek i'll post some pics after i've fitted the new sump m8, around the end of the week. I'm afraid i have to work this week! :( 6 more shifts tho, and i'm off for 18 lovely days B) B) B)

[Garry thomas]

Some more pics

[Garry thomas]

MMMmmmm

[SPS Hoover]

Hi Garry

That is one hell of a big tank, you must find that a piece of cake to keep. I noticed my 8x2x2 is so much easier than my previous tanks. With it being so large and you’ve had it running for a year apprenticeship over so to speak, are you not tempted to change it from the soft coral garden style setup to a SPS style setup. Seems a shame such a large tank would look stunning stuffed full of SPS and a like.

Regards

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by Simon@Apr 4 2003, 18:44
you’ve had it running for a year apprenticeship over so to speak, are you not tempted to change it from the soft coral garden style setup to a SPS style setup. Seems a shame such a large tank would look stunning stuffed full of sps corals
If you go diving on a real reef simon, what do you expect to find? I can assure you it's not all sps. I like my softies, i think they give the tank movement. Although my sps are spreading, eventually they will fill all the gaps. But the soft ones will be staying.

[Cam]

Hi Garry,

I have to agree that soft corals blowing in the breeze do look lovely, but although reefs vary I have found that they probably contain only perhaps 2 or 3% soft corals. Some of the Red Sea reefs I have dived on contain virtually no softs at all. The reef walls seem to have more nepthia though.

IMO

Cam ;)

[Garry thomas]

The point is this cam, i'm proud of my tank! why change a good thing? my sps are growing like mad, but i would'nt like a tank full of it. The same as i would not do without my fish :D

[Cudders]

Well said Garry, seems some are sps mad to exclude all others. Softies look excellent if done right like in your tank. They have their place just as much as sps in my opinion.

Will be trying sps in my next tank but softies will also be kept lower down :)

Mark.

[Garry thomas]

As said mark my sps are going nuts, the growth is fantastic. But that doesnt mean i want a tank full of them. I'm managing excellant growths of both, and thats with a shed full of fish, which most sps keepers dont have. I'm not preaching but i dont like people telling me to change, what have i got to prove?

[Garry thomas]

New sumps in, FWIW it was a bit on the heavy side. I've also got some new lighting over the fuge, but it looks empty :lol: not enough calerpa to fill it yet. I need time and patience....GT

[SPS Hoover]

Garry

You are a bit touchy about your tank. :lol:

I was in no way applying that you should change your tank layout and the species that you have in it. No two reefs are the same which is which is the beauty of this hobby. For all I care you could have 11ftx2.5ftx2.5ft of pulsing xenia if that what turns you on, :lol: :lol: :lol: :ph34r: if you did go down this route it would be nice because you could have a shoal of blue face angels now wouldn't that be stunning. :lol: :lol:

The thing to remember about all of this is "One mans wine is another man's poison"

Regards

[Garry thomas]

Yes what a sight! I had a blue face once, but caught it by mistake when trying to catch my blue queen. So i got rid of that as well. Do you know anyone who has been successfull at keeping one in a reef?
...............GT the Home of really really really really really really really great great REEF tanks :lol: :lol: :P

[SPS Hoover]

I had one in mine once they do like eating pulsing xenia, I have heard people have used them for that purpose to rid their reefs of pulsing xenia.

Regards

[Garry thomas]

What about a pair of goldflake angels, now that would be a sight. :)

[Garry thomas]

My tank looks empty now i've got rid of some of my leather's, i'll have to post some pics.

[Garry thomas]

Got a few more SPS, making room for a Few more. Just got a large lipstick tang. I'm thinking of putting more lights on, would like to get it over 1000 wattm2.

[Ducati916]

1000w m2 dont fancy your lecy bill G T

[Nick Derbyshire]

don't worry about the leccy! :blink: Do what i do and take your supply from next doors shed :ph34r:
I also agree with ya gary on the softies front!
Cheers
Nick
P.S was speaking to a mate of yours today who is having a 2000 litr system built. Think his name was Alan.

[Garry thomas]

Hello nick, if it's who i think you are on about! it's 2000 gals not ltrs :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

Now i've eventually got my own camera, here's some pics of my new sump
62x27.5x20.

[Garry thomas]

Another

[kim]

Do you have a tang in there somewhere ?

:) :)

kim

[Preds]

:lol:

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by kim@Jun 8 2003, 22:10
Do you have a tang in there somewhere ?

:) :)

kim
:huh:

[Garry thomas]

Tank under actinics

[Garry thomas]

:rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

:) It's not the best picy, but i'm getting used to the camera :P

[Garry thomas]

The Tanks changing slowly, moving and swapping things ect.

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

Just try this uploaderhttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/left shot.JPG

[Garry thomas]

Look at the snail, you can just make out loads of chromis eggs

[Fishobob]

WOW! That is possibly the best looking hobbyist tank I have ever seen!
Hate to think of the costs of setting up and maintaining that baby :o

[Fishobob]

Have you got some specs of the tank and an inhabitant list or were they already posted and I just missed em?

[Garry thomas]

Hello m8ty, what specs do you actually want? stocking? size? Thats got me started FWOAR stockings :lol:

[Fishobob]

Hello m8ty, what specs do you actually want? stocking? size?
All specs would be good thanks mate :D

[Garry thomas]

Main tank 11ft x 2.5 x2.5 with a 62x27.5 x 20 high" sump 2.5ft of the sump is a refugium. Plus there is an extra sump 30 x30 x27 (90gal) Hopefully an extra 2000 ltrs to go on line, within the next 2 months. Wife permitting :unsure: As i will be converting half the garage to a filtration room. Fed up with the noisy skimmer in the house.
LIGHTING
5 x 400 watt lowbays with 6500k iwasaki lamps
4 x 140 watt phillips o3 actinics
7 x 18 watt 4300k over refugium and other sump
WATER MOVEMENT
7 x aquaclear 5000's
3 x aqua b 3000's
2 x 6100 tunzes on controller 7094 all other pumps, are pulsed by the octopuss computer. Soon to be upgraded to 4
GEAR IN SUMP
1 Oase 7500 return pump, which is hard piped, back to the tank.
1 eheim hobby pump, feeding the fluidised bed full of rowa
1 maxijet1250 which pumps, the fresh water in for my evap, from a 2x2x1 tank.

HEATING
Various makes of heater totaling 2000 watts.
COOLING
4x6inch fans in the hood
2x6inch fans in the sump cab
1x16 inch fan over left side of sump
1x16fan constantly on blowing at side of tank and skimmer, supplemented by a 12" blowing at another part of the tank, apart from the 2 i have just mentioned, all fans are controlled by the computer.
CONTROL
All parameter's are controlled by the aquadyne octopucc 3000, heating cooling, wave machine ect.
CALCIUM
There is a Korrallin 4001 reactor, run at 75 bubs of co2 and around80 to 100 on the effluant, which has a kh of 32
Also all the top up water is kalkwasser.
Filtration
There are over 300kgs in the main tank, with some other in the sump with the dsb. Live rock is mainly fuji.
Aquamedic turboflotor 5000 twin skimmer, DSB in sump and refugium which is filled with 3 differant spcs of calerpa.
Prolifera Being the most prolific.
taxifolia
racemosa
The only other bit of usefull kit ( i think) 300 mg ozoniser with 2xairdryers, which are controlled by the redox controller on the octopuss. The o3 is only used to clear the water once a week, not artificially lift redox.
PARAMETERS
salinity 1.025
calcium 460 was 560 when using kalk with vinegar FWIW
po4 0
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 4
temp 27.6 to 28.5
ph 8.1 to 8.6
redox around 350
CLEAN UP CREW
Around 25 various brittle/serpant stars
100odd various turbo.s
70 odd red legs
6 sand sifting star fish
!0 cleaner shrimps
6 blood reds
Fish
Lots i havent got time to type all them :lol: Hope thats enough rob....GT
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
The tank was originally built in feb 02, but i'm afraid it leaked. So it had to be rebuilt. After it all cured ect, i managed to get it up and running april 02.

[stray66uk]

wow :o you must be married to a saint :D

[Flam3h]

Hope you got some shares in an Electricity Company GT :D, btw where bouts in wales are you? im just over the other side of the River Seven (town called Portishead, nr Bristol), can see Wales from here *me waves* ;)

[JasandJules]

Originally posted by stray66uk@Jul 22 2003, 23:10
wow :o you must be married to a saint :D
Next time he's gonna go for a big tank....
:D :D :D :D

Halos at the ready..

[Anna]

Garry,

I, for one, am happy to see your temperature fluctuations :) (I mean that in the nicest possible way)

My tank, with only a 3ft Deltec Mega Twin light and two 12V 80mm pc fans has been running at about 27.5C during the day rising to 28.5C during the night (I turn the fans off at night due to the noise) - think I may need to improve ventilation in the hood though as there is a fair amount of condensation on the interior of the hood come the morning.

Anyway, the temperature you are running at is certainly reassuring as most other sources suggest a couple of degrees lower.

ttfn

Anna

[Garry thomas]

Temp is a factor, that most are concerned about , at this time of the year Anna. I'm soon to be adding another 90 gals on to the system, which i'm hoping may make a differance. Fwiw................. I'm running out of improvements, on my wish list slowly :)

[Garry thomas]

Tape measure has been out, and the plan has been drawn up. My water change tank 90 gals, 30" cube, is to be plumbed in as part of the system, I'll have to get it drilled first, so it will have to be partially stripped. Also i'll have a DSB in it as well, which i will seed from my other sump. Although this sump will not be illuminated. I will be searching now, for a large tank of similair size, or slightly bigger than 90 gals, for my w/c's. Also the new W/C tank will have to go out in my garage. :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

A picy of my soon to be converted W/C tank

[Garry thomas]

And this where i plan it to go, Have to tidy it up first tho :lol:

[Garry thomas]

Some pics, you will notice there are quite a few missing from the other pics. :) I think i'll have to invest in a camera which will do macro, my camera wont do closeups. etc When you try to take, real closeups, they blurr.

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:) some bigger shots, not the best tho

[Garry thomas]

:rolleyes:

[tufty711]

Looking good Garry m8,

Next time i come up ill bring my cam and see if i can get some good shots. :D


ant

[Garry thomas]

Ant i took a frag of that plating monti for you m8, it's doing very well. See you soon.

[tufty711]

Cheers for that Garry. Ill def have it when its ready.

Can you plz PM me about the blue tipped stag and the prices for the plating monti.


cheers ant

[Garry thomas]

my progress this weekend so far, with fitting the other sump.

[Garry thomas]

I'm catching more r/o, hope to get it on line some time tommorrow. 105 kgs of sand, went into the tank this morning.

[Garry thomas]

Fwiw just finished all the pipework, i'm off to work now. Should have enough water made by the time i get home, in the morning. :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

Tank is also clearing up now. Does.nt it look differant without the cabinet?

[Garry thomas]

Fwiw at last the new sump is up and running, just got it on line after getting home off nights. The idea has worked MMMMmmm so water does run uphill :) , not looking forward to putting the cabinet back together :huh:

[Garry thomas]

Well it's all sorted and running, i'm very pleased. MMMMmmm what can i do next? :lol: :P :) :wacko: Mrs still dont understand :angry:

[Darryl]

Garry what happened to your orp readings since the addition of the new sump ? just curious B)

[Garry thomas]

Darryl my orp went down, as expected. As i did'nt leave the salt mix to age. It's 290 at the mo, normally it's around 350 ish. Also the long pipework running from the left weir to the right sump (10ft long) had a lot of crap in it. So it might go higher than before, time will tell m8.

[Darryl]

Keep us posted on the readings, since adding a 36x30x6 inch deep dsb to my system some months back, I have struggled with my orp readings, although I can't discount the probe being cream crackered. I am just about to bring a 5x2x2 on line with 100lb of aragamud type sand in, will see what that brings. I have a new probe on order but it hasn't arrived yet :angry: cheers Darryl B)

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by Darryl@Aug 4 2003, 16:32
I have struggled with my orp readings
Darryl when you say struggle, what were the before and after readings. Being honest with you m8, i think we rely on these meters, more than we possibley should. Although yours readings were low, did you notice a decrease in water quality?

[Darryl]

Fair point about the probes, Did I notice a difference in water quality ? No not by observation. Orp at the momment is around 370 (if the probe is to be believed) it switches ozone at 350. this is he main reason I use this probe. I am trying to see if there is a link to adding dsbs and falling orp rates, has is the case with me cheers Darryl. B)

[simonm]

Originally posted by Garry thomas@Aug 4 2003, 15:51
Well it's all sorted and running, i'm very pleased. MMMMmmm what can i do next? :lol: :P :) :wacko: Mrs still dont understand :angry:
seal up all the doors downstairs and flood the whole ground floor for a bigger tank :lol: :lol: :lol:

(dont forget to build new stairs from bedroom to outside world)

[Garry thomas]

Si that has crossed my mind. :lol: :lol: :P

[JasandJules]

Make it easier on the missus, just do the whole garage.. She can't complain then surely.......:D :D

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by JasonF@Aug 5 2003, 10:55
just do the whole garage..
Jason i have though about that also, but i like sitting in front of my tank in comfort. I dont think it would be the same, out there. :)

[JasandJules]

Simply knock the side wall of the house down.........:D :D

[Rabbit]

Jason....Garry fails to mention is garage is detatched :)

[Garry thomas]

Just like to show you what i'm picking up today 47 anthius kashiwae's. This is a pic of the female. Not all will be going in my tank tho, just 21. The others have been sold.

[Garry thomas]

And the male

[narthur]

Beautiful fish Garry how hard are they to keep?? nic

[Garry thomas]

Care level seems to be moderate, up to 6" in length in the aquarium. Peacefull temperament. And it also quotes tank to be at least 70 gals, so i should be ok :) . I'll take a picy of them when they are settled in.

[JasandJules]

Originally posted by Garry thomas@Aug 7 2003, 11:13
And it also quotes tank to be at least 70 gals, so i should be ok :) .
It'll be a close call.....:D :D :D

[Garry thomas]

:lol: :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

Well they are in there, although only 6 are shoaling. The others are a bit lost i think :rolleyes: I'm sure i seen a couple of the new additions, wink at me, in gratitude when they seen where they were going :lol: :) :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

Try some new pics.

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

B)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

I think i'll get a tripod, soon. Dam shaky hands

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[taff]

nice pics garry clear and very close ;)

[craigandsimon]

nice m8 :)

someone got a new toy then :D

[Garry thomas]

How did you guess si :lol: A nikon coolpix 950, it's awesome m8.

[craigandsimon]

i got a nikon coolpix 4500 :) - i have added some new pics to my tank specs..

[JasandJules]

Not bad at all... B)

One day you'll get a decent sized tank though eh?!?!? :lol:

[kim]

I love the shot with the "I think I'll get a tripod.....". Are the paler ones the new anthias ?

Almost makes me feel cool - sizzling and sticky here in London. :(

:)

kim

[Garry thomas]

Thats them Kim, they are very pretty.

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by JasonF@Aug 10 2003, 19:44
Not bad at all... B)

One day you'll get a decent sized tank though eh?!?!? :lol:
Jason i'm working at it m8 :lol:
I'm quickly running out of room and especially money :unsure: :( :wacko:

[Garry thomas]

Kim a better shot of Some of my anthius kashiwea's

[Garry thomas]

another

[Anna]

Garry - they are beauts :wub:

are they all shoaling yet? or just 6 of them as before?

Anna

[Garry thomas]

It's strange anna, they seem to shoal seperately. If that makes sense. Not 1 big shoal. Perhaps because there where a few males maybe?

[Anna]

do ya wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang, do ya wanna be in my gang - oh yeah..................

:lol: :D :lol:

Yeah, maybe it's a male thing :blink:

Anna

[Garry thomas]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :P superiour spcs anna :unsure: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OHHhhh no that was a sexist remark!!!!! i'm gonna get hung :lol:

[Anna]

:P ?oh? :P

I understood that it was the males that were shoaling together, the females have obviously got much better things to do :D :D :D and more sense than to hang around with a load of men :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anna

[Garry thomas]

They are probally behind the reef, getting ready for there guys :P

[davidc]

Can just about picture that little hanbags full of make-up and perfume :lol:

[davidc]

take about 4 hours to get ready tho.

[Garry thomas]

At least m8 :lol: :) And of course nothing to wear BLA BLA BLA. My wife has 2 double wardrobes, and she still moans. I've got a carrier bag :lol:

[davidc]

Tell me about it m8. she who must be obeyed has to have something new every time we go out <_<

[Anna]

At least m8 And of course nothing to wear BLA BLA BLA. My wife has 2 double wordrobes, and she still moans. I've got a carrier bag

And you've got what???? a tank the size of a small swimming pool in the lounge - I think that's fair :lol: :D :lol:

[Garry thomas]

:lol: And soon to be a bigger swimming pool. She thinks i'm nuts :wacko: :wacko: :unsure: Carol does'nt realise how lucky she is.

[davidc]

That's how it works she get's new clothes and I get goodiies for my paddling pool.


And walk around dressed in rags :D

[Garry thomas]

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rags rool :lol:

[kim]

Originally posted by Garry thomas@Aug 12 2003, 16:18
:lol: :lol: :lol: :P superiour spcs anna :unsure: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OHHhhh no that was a sexist remark!!!!! i'm gonna get hung :lol:
Sorry to say Garry, but if you're not hung yet it's unlikely to happen at all. :(

:)

kim

(ps the anthias disappeared.......)

[Garry thomas]

i've been close m8 :) :unsure: :wacko:

[Garry thomas]

I've just been working out the dimensions for the new filtration/tank room.
As follows:
Filtration room 4.6 mtrs long x 2.5 wide, which i think is ample. This is to house, My 5000 twin skimmer, the C/A reactor and 3x1000ltr plastic tanks, 2 plumbed on line, and the other will at the time being, be the waterchange tank. I will have a feed and return pipe of 15 mtrs. 5 mtrs internal to the tank, and the other 10 out to the garage/filtration room. Feed will be taken care of by an oase 7000ltr pump, Hard piped through 1.5" abs. The return, by gravity through 60 mm abs pipe, with a drop of aprox 4 feet. Does this seem /look ok, this must work!!!!!

[simonm]

lol garry, like the way this has "grown" from another plastic tank to a complete "Filtration room" muhahahahah

[sparky]

Garry, dont no if the place maybe of help to you http://www.wisewatersolutions.co.uk/

They do a large range of pvc pipe work and fittings at good prices used them before and good service,they also can do tank connectors etc if you email them.

regards

Andrew

[Garry thomas]

Thanks Andy, i'll take a look. Simon you've got all this to come m8. An idea is just like a seed, it grows :lol:

[simonm]

my three tubs for garage arrived on Friday from Excelsior B) Going to start work on plumbing them in a couple of weeks.

One thing to ponder though, I will have two sumps, one under tank other in garage. Fed from my 5000Ltr/hour aquamedic overflow box, It has two outputs 2500 L/hour capacity each. So one will go to my garage, other existing to sump under tank.

I think I am right here but I should see evaporated water taken up equally over the two sumps now shouldn't I ? And there is no way to only "loose" water from one sump and not the other.

[Garry thomas]

Simon, i would'nt say totally equal, but yes that is correct. Evap can be affected by many things.

[Garry thomas]

Had aa bit of a problem with some calerpa this morning, but now nice and clear again. Rock on ozone B)

[Garry thomas]

Clear at last

[Garry thomas]

B)

[Garry thomas]

:rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

:)

[Garry thomas]

Still got a soft spot for this one :wub: Although it's days are numbered :lol:

[Lisa Page]

Excellent pics Garry. :D The tank's looking good. B)

Regards

Lisa

[sparky]

Nice shots gary,you have a very nice reef their :)

looks like you sorted out that new camera!

Regards

Andrew

[elliot]

Garry,

What sort of ratio of soft to hard corals is your tank now... as there are some lovely lookig acroporas in the tank.

Cheers

Elliot

[deb]

great tank gary.

just wondered about the feeding pattern you use, how much and how often?

[Garry thomas]

Deb, the auto feeder, feeds 8 times a day. Plus i feed Mysis at least twice a day. There's no mushy method here :P

Sorry Elliot, i really dont know. Most of the softies have gone, the sps just need time now to grow to fill the gaps.

[simonm]

what you got in your autofeeder gary ?

[Garry thomas]

Simon the auto feeder contains, ocean nutrition pellets, off Ed no less. They are really good, the anthius especially like them.

[Anna]

I have some of the small ocean nutrition formula one pellets, can't seem to get the clown's interested tho :angry: - at least the hermits and shrimps enjoy them :D

Any tips for getting the clowns to eat them??

ta

Anna

[simonm]

anna,

have you tried removing the clown from tank, standing on its middle untill mouth opens then shove it down ?
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damn think im drunk !!! sos !!! tooooo much Chaaardon ay...

[Anna]

hey! it was your birthday last week - wots your excuse tonight :D

Anna

P.S. Must admit, haven't tried that method <_<

[kim]

Garry,

On the previous page, what is the little yellow fish (well, looks little, I might have the scale confused....could be a medium shark...) a bit left of centre, swimming half way up in the pikky where you say "clear now" (I think it's you post 4 this time ? ) ? Is it one of the pesky acro-destroying gobies, or something more friendly ?

Second, do you have more than one specie of chromis .... they look different colours, maybe it's how they are catching the light ?

And that's another gorgeous sumptuous pikky.

kim

ps

I'm personally a fan of SPS (it's the shapes for me....tho' blue is also nicer than brown....), but have to say that in some ways it's also a pity that one of the champions of softies seems to be moving over.

[Garry thomas]

Kim that is the monster acro eating goby, well one of them anyway. :angry: they are gobiodon okinawee. And yes, i have 3 differant spcs of chromis, nicely spotted.
Kim that camera and tripod, have made a differance to the picy's. Still got a lot to learn about it tho.

[Garry thomas]

Sorry Anna i missed your post, when i first introduced the pellets ( small size), none of the fish would take them. The first was the tangs, but with the new anthius, when the others went into a feeding frenzy, they just joined in. Did'nt want to be left out, i expect. :rolleyes:

[lees]

Garry that has to be the best private reef tank ive ever seen, infact the only one ive seen better anywhere is the one in the blue planet aquarium in chester, but if you had theyr budget i bet you would build one to blow it out of the water so to speak ;)

[Garry thomas]

A picy of my newest acro. :)

[Garry thomas]

Notice the evil gobie, just in the background :angry: MMMMmmm that new acro looks tasty. :o

[Garry thomas]

One of the gobies took a fancy to my acro frag yesterday, today it's nearly gone. :angry:

[Garry thomas]

Here's the little blighter :angry: :(

[Garry thomas]

In the week, i altered the center of the top of the tank.

[Garry thomas]

slightly differant

[Garry thomas]

Some shots i took this morning under subdued lighting. :) http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/l tank.JPG

[Garry thomas]

:) center shothttp://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/ct1.JPG

[Garry thomas]

Right side.

[big bubba]

that is some tank,well done.
any idea how much its cost you?
or are you scared to think about it? :D :D :D

[Garry thomas]

Just had to put this one on, it's the first pic, i have ever seen with all the tank in from the front and not a side view. Thanks for that Craigg..

[Glenn'n'Emm]

Gary

im green with envy as usual when thinking about your tank m8. :P

I note you said you re organised a bit of it recently. I only have a small tank in comparison to yours and worry about re-organising the rockwork. Emm and I are talking about buying some more lr to fill in all the little nooks and crannies where we can see through or see the frame holding the rock but im worried about fiddling around in the tank so much.

Do you think it has any lasting problems for the inmates, more the fish im thinking of at this stage? Oh and i will have to watch out for leo, the dwarf lionfish, only small but doesnt seem to giv e s**t how close i get to him he aint afraid!! :lol:

Laslty I'm gonna get me 35mm camera outta the loft this weekend and see if i cant relpicate some of your piccies in spirit at least!!

Glenn

[JasandJules]

Originally posted by big bubba@Sep 2 2003, 13:50

any idea how much its cost you?

More than my Mortgage I reckon....... :blink:

[tufty711]

Garry even though i have seen your tank many times it keeps on amazing me especially the amount of growth and colouration you have in you SPS.

Its a great example of how to keep a mixed reef tank becuase it has SPS, LPS softies and loads of thriving fish all in superb health.


Now iv heard loads about this new cam and your last pics are great, have you tried any macro shots of your SPS because the different colouration is amazing even under 6500k, so lets see some more photos.....

Keep up the good work and thanks for the help,


ant

[Garry thomas]

Thanks ant, i'm going to try a little experiment with my lighting. I'm going to try 10'000k blv's in halides 2+4, to see if the sps colour up any differantly. B) :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

[Garry thomas]

My little experiment has started as from thursday sep12th, i have fitted the 10'000k blvs's in 2+ 4 halide. i'll take some shots tommorrow, and then compare the growth, and colouration, in a month.

[Garry thomas]

Well as from today, the 22nd of sept i have changed all the halides to 10.000blv.s. here's some shots. this acro has changed colour in 10 days under the original 10.oooks, from the 12th

[Garry thomas]

This is the acro i got on friday from stm.

[Garry thomas]

One of my acro's is colouring up lovely.

[Garry thomas]

A few more which are changing, also grown from frags. Not purchased this big

[tufty711]

That first acro is stunning, tell me when you frag it ;)

The large acro frag you gave me off the sandbed it great now, they tips are turning purple.

Have you fraged the blue stag and the porities yet m8?

The 400ws are the dogs dangleys, and i do prefer the llok of 10,000k.


ant

[Garry thomas]

yes ant, they are both done m8. :)

[keith hellyar]

Is this the longest running thread on UR 14,000 viewings and 200 posts?

Keith

[elliot]

Garry,

Wicked.... I am coming down with wire cutters soon :) :D :o

Is the STM an A,humulis?

CHeers

Elliot

[Garry thomas]

Elliot i started a thread on photography, and that name was mentioned, so i believe that is the correct choice m8. :)

[elliot]

DOH!!!

Should have read it.... but missed it

Not sure why posts unread are marked as read :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Nice none the less

E

[Garry thomas]

I'm very pleased with it, especially as mushie had his eyes on it :lol:

[Garry thomas]

:rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

:wub:

[Garry thomas]

here's my latest member to the tank ostracion cubicos (mr milky) my wife and kids have nagged me, for ages to get another one. As the original started pecking. :)

[Garry thomas]

This is my tank, i picked up today, a 6x2x2. I will use this for my waterchanges, until i get the filtration room sorted in the garage. I will probally use it then as a large refugium/DSB. MMMMMmm could also be classed as a wrong way round tank? :lol:

[Garry thomas]

:)

[simonm]

mm, I dont fancy that gather tape holding the crack together at the end !!!! :D

[Garry thomas]

Ah but thats special tape, lot less likely to get damaged in my garage. The tanks i have damaged out there, through looking right through them :wacko:

[DavidTQ2]

Garry, where did you get that tank from? It looks as if the same person built as my 5x2x2, double layered bottom, thick support braces and the background stuck the outside at the back, done in two sections, instead of using a 2' roll. Even the colour backing is the same, do you know where it came from originally?

David

[Garry thomas]

David i was told it was a seabrey tank, if the spelling is correct? but i know the backing was fitted by TAC, as they do the same on all there tanks.

[Garry thomas]

Just done a large water change 170 gals, here's some pics, when it was draining.
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/rad1.JPG
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/rad2.JPG

[Lawrence Corley]

Just done a large water change 170 gals, here's some pics, when it was draining

170 gals!!!! there will be a hose pipe ban in S. Wales following that :D :D :D

Love the pics GT.

Lawrence.

[Cudders]

Nice pics m8. Interesting to see the acros out of water.

Mark.

[Garry thomas]

I think it does them good mark, as it happens in the wild all the time. :)

[fishman]

do need to get a look at it in the flesh m8 , we will meet one day...FISH.... :rolleyes:

[Garry thomas]

Anytime m8 anytime. :) :) :) :) :)

[Garry thomas]

some new shots
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/1ac.JPG

[Garry thomas]

:huh:
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/2.JPG

[Garry thomas]

:)
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/3a.JPG
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/4a.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/5a.JPG
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/6a.JPG

[Garry thomas]

:)
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/7a.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/8a.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/9a.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/10.JPG
:rolleyes:

[simonm]

Looks very nice as usual Gary :-) Whats the green encrusting coral on the rocks ? I like that stuff think I'll add some to my tank.

Cheers.

[Garry thomas]

:rolleyes:
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/11.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/12.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/13.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/15.JPG

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/acro encrusted rock.JPG
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[craigandsimon]

nice m8,

how do u find the star polyp - i find it kills my sps dead :(

[Garry thomas]

si , i regret putting anything in which encrusts the rocks. It just spreads like a weed.

[craigandsimon]

i feel your pain :angry:

[Garry thomas]

i wish them gobies could feel my pain, si :angry:

[Garry thomas]

Originally posted by simonm@Oct 21 2003, 13:35
Looks very nice as usual Gary :-) Whats the green encrusting coral on the rocks ? I like that stuff think I'll add some to my tank.

Cheers.
Which pic is it in simon?

[simonm]

Top right of 4th picture down.

[Garry thomas]

simon, it's an encrusting acropora, spreading it's base before, shooting branches.

[simonm]

Thanks GT, nice green glow to it, like that.

[Garry thomas]

It's very quick growing simon. Any news on your visit to wales?