Moorish Idol [Archive] - UltimateReef.com

Garry thomas

06-11-04, 19:31

These fish are the most elegant of all Marine fish in my eyes. But the common stigma
which follows them around about being finnicky is sadly true. They are very delicate,
and rarely survive in small tanks. Also, a reef tank in my opinion is an essential part of
their up keep. They need the constant supply of algae and small sponges to sustain
the health and well being. Sadly I had to get rid of mine when it grew into adult
hood after around 14 months as it started to eat sps and more often lps corals. The Moorish Idol (or kiki kiki as they say in Hawai)
is actually a distant relative of the Tang family. It closely resembles the
Heniocheos Butterfly, but thats where the similarity ends. So if you see one for sale,
unless you have the tank,
and conditions to keep it healthy, please leave this beautiful fish alone.

justmarine

15-08-05, 09:09

Hi every body
Still around and still smiling.
Like many myths in the hobby Moorish Idols can be kept quite easily.Like butterflies they live on polys and you have to sacrifice some to keep them happy. as it happens they are readily available. We have one for six months and we have customers that have them also. We have discovered that they love catfish food and that realy is the secret of sucess.
Im told there is a thread discussing mail order fish but I must have missed it.
There are very few species of tank bred fish in this country.Most come from Indonesia.Phillipines,Singapore, Shri Lanka. and around the world. they arrive in a bag of water after travelling half way round the world. The quality of that water you would not want in your tank. We dump it.There is no float the bag in the water and slowly add water. They go in the tank which is certainly a lot cleaner.
If they are packed to meet the airlines association regulations of enough water to survive 48 hours then they do survive. They come in poystrene boxes the same as tropical/Brackish. koi.all come the same way.
It seams a little pointless to claim therefore that travelling a few hundred miles is more stressful that shipping them from Manila.
Its down to the people who pack them the same as every thing else in the hobbly. TMC have been sending fish out over night for twenty odd years.
There are certain people on this forum who voice there views and make objections. One wonders why they are in the hobby at all?
There is no logic in the arguement and people who make the claim that marine fish are hard to keep are obviously failed beginners.
The sucess of keeping Moorish Idols and any fish in fact is the filteration systems.
Any one who imports fish will know that the state of the water after 24 hours + in the bag makes you wonder if the fish will make it. but low and behold the next morning they are fully recovered and hungry. They are far tougher than given credit for. People who dive will tell you that there are huge variations in temperature depending on the currents. salinity and water quality.
The most important factor in keeping moorish idols and more delicate fish is they need mature water. Regular water changes upsets the balance in the tank. What is the point of changing water if the parameters are all correct.
So happy fish keeping and good luck with the morrish Idols
peter

Will

15-08-05, 10:33

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

sounds like bad advice to me

your saying to dump the water in the bag and put the fsh straight in the tank, oh yeah clever idea, no wonder people used to say you had more dead fish on the bottom of your tanks than swimming :lol:

ever heard of osmoticc stress,obviously the water in the bag is awfull, thats why most decent lfs or reefkeepers would recomend to drip the livestock in a bucket!
These fish are hard to keep and 6 months is not a long enough period to start celebrating come back when its still alive in 3 years or so, catfish pellets is a bad food to feed them, its to high in protien and can cause bloating in many marine fish, which in turn kills them <_<

imo you really need to go back to the drawing borad and re think your company policy, you are not fit to give out advice let alone keep fish

any way weren't you banned ?

SPS Hoover

15-08-05, 11:36

**********

It stars out when you say similar to onlymairne.........

Is that because its like swearing on here :lol:

Peter go away you have lost any good reputation you could get on here.....

You are making matters worse

:wave:

Si

wayne g

15-08-05, 11:50

j ustmarine
you can stop digging that hole mate....you reached the bottom a looooong time ago!

simon garratt

15-08-05, 12:28

<_<

If ever there was an argument for naming and shaming on BB's its you Peter. Shipping discussions aside. Your advice ranges from bad to downright unbeleivable.

You do nothing for the reputation of proffesionals within the hobby with advice like that.

Moorish Idols are 'not' an easy fish to keep, regardless of tank size or apparently healthy appetite when kept for short periods (below 2yrs). They have an extremely high motality rate even in the best systems with the upmost of care.

In addition to this your comments re aged water and the damaging effects of water changes are missplaced and dangerously inciting to new hobbyists.

I would suggest you go away and try to keep a mixed SPS/reef system for a period with that mentality.

I trust you will then learn to move into the modern age of reefkeeping where stock is no longer considerd as an expendible commodity.

Si.

That was worth posting about. :angry:

Will

15-08-05, 12:37

Originally posted by simon garratt@Aug 15 2005, 13:28

Si.

That was worth posting about. :angry:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

popsock

15-08-05, 12:40

I would only add that I've never experienced a moorish idol that doesn't feed - that's never been a problem. But I agree that they're very fragile, especially dificult to keep long-term and best left on the reef.

wayne g

15-08-05, 13:01

Originally posted by jimmyjayz+Aug 15 2005, 11:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jimmyjayz @ Aug 15 2005, 11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-simon garratt@Aug 15 2005, 13:28

Si.

That was worth posting about. :angry:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
i thought that too!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

come back full time si ffs....you're well missed mate!
:wave:

fire999

15-08-05, 13:17

Originally posted by jamie reefer@Aug 3 2004, 10:01
Hi all I would like to know how hard moorish idols are to keep,and what size tank at a min you can get away with cheers Jamie
Hi Jamie ... Do not already have one ? If so how is it keeping ?

Will

15-08-05, 13:19

apparantley great whites can be kept in gold fish bowls and dont worry about water changes they prefer manky {oh sorry mature} water, and you can bulk them up on algae wafers to, see any one can type rubbish **** ******, you just excell at it, must have something to do with your screen writing job pmsl still from first post :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

JasandJules

15-08-05, 14:46

Now don't be silly, you KNOW Great Whites can't be kept in Goldfish bowls.. Minimum tank size of a bath tub at least... And if you feed them salad they look better too...... It is epaulette sharks for Goldfish bowls...

One thing I can always be sure of, whatever he posts, I will disagree with.. One of these days he will post something quite sensible and I will still find myself disagreeing, just as a matter of course..

Will

15-08-05, 15:05

Originally posted by JasandJules@Aug 15 2005, 15:46
Now don't be silly, you KNOW Great Whites can't be kept in Goldfish bowls.. Minimum tank size of a bath tub at least... And if you feed them salad they look better too...... It is epaulette sharks for Goldfish bowls...

One thing I can always be sure of, whatever he posts, I will disagree with.. One of these days he will post something quite sensible and I will still find myself disagreeing, just as a matter of course..
NO i kept two in a goldfish bowl and breed them as part of a survey so i know best

Jonesii

15-08-05, 15:18

Originally posted by JasandJules@Aug 15 2005, 13:46

One of these days he will post something quite sensible
I doubt it.

Peter you have no shame even showing your face on this board after your disgraceful exit last time and as for todays 'advice' ???? You what? Catfish pellets? You may be able to feed these on a very short term basis but you're asking for a malnutrition problem later especially with such a delicate species. Next I suppose feeder goldfish will be OK for Grouper and Lionfish?

Will

15-08-05, 15:24

well they eat anthis dont they :lol: :lol:

Jonesii

15-08-05, 15:49

Originally posted by jimmyjayz@Aug 15 2005, 14:24
well they eat anthis dont they :lol: :lol:
Yeah but at least they're marine goldfish! ;)

Philfish

15-08-05, 23:38

Originally posted by fire999+Aug 15 2005, 13:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fire999 @ Aug 15 2005, 13:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jamie reefer@Aug 3 2004, 10:01
Hi all I would like to know how hard moorish idols are to keep,and what size tank at a min you can get away with cheers Jamie
Hi Jamie ... Do not already have one ? If so how is it keeping ? [/b][/quote]
If you look at the date mate, you'll see that this was over a year ago. Jamie has succesfully kept his Moorish Idol, and sold it on because it was giving it's tank mates grief. It was a nice one too.

As for the other guy, I only wish I had been around at the time to witness what was obviously an almighty ruckuss (sp). Is there history of it, or has it all been erased?

Nice to see some of the old big guns wheeled out to defend the forum!!

Shame we can't persuade some of 'em to post for us, as there used to be so much great info. around looking back.

Will

15-08-05, 23:58

are shop names filterd out or is ju s t m a r ine taken out due to the swear filter, like in friends when they refer to somethig bad as doing a monica

popsock

16-08-05, 19:57

Weird. I didn't notice the dates. Even more freaky that Just Marines would suddenly pop out of nowhere to answer a year-old thread ?!?!?!

Will

17-08-05, 09:23

maybe it took him that long to think of a reply :lol:

JasandJules

17-08-05, 09:58

Originally posted by jimmyjayz@Aug 17 2005, 08:23
maybe it took him that long to think of a reply :lol:
He may have been on a secret mission...........

greengrass

17-08-05, 18:34

hi,

just as phil said, is there any history anywhere of this old debacle or has it been erased, the reason why i ask is, being a newbie to marines of just short of 6mth, newbies like myself aswell as others can learn a lot from the bad side as well as the good side of this truly fasinateing hobby of ours, and to the insight of what appears to be some people who appear to njoy endangering the lives of certain stock, thats the way i percieved the thread he wrote after id read it.

any history anywhere on this please??

thanx les

JAGR

17-08-05, 19:29

i dont think jamie needs any more replies to this he sold his moorish it was one of the best feeders ive seen Gordon

greengrass

17-08-05, 21:03

hi,

wasn't on about jamie, it was with regards to that petewr (justmarines fella) and why he's caused such greif for himself.

i think thats what phil was refering too i think

les

JasandJules

18-08-05, 06:38

**** ****** was, many moons ago, selling sharks.. A few of us objected to such creatures being sold to the hobby.. JM then tried to say a few different things, like he was breeding them, a secret agent with death threats, all sorts, and that they can live in pathetically tiny tanks.. He was also selling the egg sacs IIRC.... Then, "Someone" even posted from the source (i.e. Indian Ocean fisherman, who happens to have internet connections) saying that sharks were not endangered at all. No, of course not, just all scientific info says they are......Soo of course everyone came back with various facts to show JM was not quite correct in his assertions...

I don't know if the threat was deleted but it was hilarious at times, absolutely horrifying at others...

HTH a little, and it certainly made sure I never purchase anything from that establishment, nor any other one connected with that person.

greengrass

18-08-05, 08:48

hi jasandjules,

thank you for that insight into that bit of history regarding jm :o ,
seems like a strange fella thats made quite a few fo's for himself in a few ways.

:cheers: les :thumbsup: its alot clearer now

popsock

18-08-05, 10:11

But he's still in business?

Will

19-08-05, 10:54

yeah he aint breaking any actual laws just almost every ethic we as fish keepers have

JasandJules

19-08-05, 10:59

Originally posted by jimmyjayz@Aug 19 2005, 09:54
yeah he aint breaking any actual laws just almost every ethic we as fish keepers have
Any laws YET.. Though when I spoke to the RSPCA they said they hadn't any Fish type protection laws in the pipe-line.

Time to Fax your MP?

wayne g

19-08-05, 12:43

Originally posted by JasandJules@Aug 18 2005, 05:38
**** ****** was, many moons ago, selling sharks.. A few of us objected to such creatures being sold to the hobby.. JM then tried to say a few different things, like he was breeding them, a secret agent with death threats, all sorts, and that they can live in pathetically tiny tanks.. He was also selling the egg sacs IIRC.... Then, "Someone" even posted from the source (i.e. Indian Ocean fisherman, who happens to have internet connections) saying that sharks were not endangered at all. No, of course not, just all scientific info says they are......Soo of course everyone came back with various facts to show JM was not quite correct in his assertions...

I don't know if the threat was deleted but it was hilarious at times, absolutely horrifying at others...

HTH a little, and it certainly made sure I never purchase anything from that establishment, nor any other one connected with that person.
......i also flamed him on another board a while before and he was just as arrogant/missguided/stupid back then.

it was shocking to hear the kind of advise this guy spews out.
:angry:

Will

19-08-05, 21:01

Originally posted by JasandJules+Aug 19 2005, 11:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JasandJules @ Aug 19 2005, 11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jimmyjayz@Aug 19 2005, 09:54
yeah he aint breaking any actual laws just almost every ethic we as fish keepers have
Any laws YET.. Though when I spoke to the RSPCA they said they hadn't any Fish type protection laws in the pipe-line.

Time to Fax your MP? [/b][/quote]
yeah i know and the measure he council want to enforce are so stupid its unreal

they want all shops to keep records of every fish sold and who to { people hate giving info out as they think its gona be more junk mail}

popsock

20-08-05, 09:30

Jimmy, if that came into effect I think many marine fish shops would vanish very quickly. Most people that run them are hobbyists and not even slightly interested in keeping such records. The business itself is not a big money earner, so adding more legislation would certainly make me pack it in.

JasandJules

20-08-05, 09:53

The other problem is one of privacy.. Your purchases are your own business, and of course to maintain names and addresses of customers means a higher level of Data Protection required....

This Govt tends to have no idea how to correctly regulate anything IME.

Will

23-08-05, 17:35

Originally posted by popsock@Aug 20 2005, 10:30
Jimmy, if that came into effect I think many marine fish shops would vanish very quickly. Most people that run them are hobbyists and not even slightly interested in keeping such records. The business itself is not a big money earner, so adding more legislation would certainly make me pack it in.
that aint for ju st mar ine shops round here they want to enforce it on every fish sale !!!

but they have been told it unfeesable and they go away to review it every inspection a shop gets :thumbsup:

i totaly agree, but i do think strongerlegislation is needed, a specific test for shops maybee, on sensible areas, and an atitude test hidden in it to :thumbsup:

ziggy

23-08-05, 22:37

We had a customer in recently who had a shark recently hatched from a sac purchased from a LFS in our county. His tank is 3' long, when I stated that the shark would need re-housing VERY shortly he said "don't worry I will get my parents to put it in their tank", how big is that I asked, 4' came the reply. When I stated that won't be any good either they said " well the LFS will take it back or the sealife centre" I said that sealife centres are swamped with sharks now so that's probably a no go so it will be down to the LFS. A shrug of the shoulders was the response :(

ps. The parents had come in the week before for advice having set up a tropical tank > marine set up stating their son knew all about marines and was giving them good info.

We are regularly taking in fish/corals/inverts that have been sold to unsuitable habitats and just hope that their previous owners take on board some of our advice.

We often refuse to sell livestock that we think are un-suitable for the set up's they are destined for only to see the same people in a few weeks on asking for advice on how to help the same animals we have refused to sell to them that they've obviously gone and purchased elsewhere because they must have that Anemone/fish/coral :(

Sometimes I give up :(

Will

23-08-05, 22:48

Originally posted by ziggy@Aug 23 2005, 23:37

Sometimes I give up :(
i know that feeling all to well, some peoples care and lack of respect for livestock amazes me we had someone during n interview to work for us use the expression its only a gold fish {needless to say he didnt get work} 2 weeks later hes working down the road in another lfs

mysticwave

23-08-05, 22:59

Hi Brian & Sue

Thank god you didn't sell us the other zoos last week....otherwise it would have been in the BFA tummy. I know you all mean well, its hard to resist sometimes, but you just have to be firm with us! How's our hammer doing btw?

CC&Jim

Mrs Ziggy CGA

23-08-05, 23:12

Hi CC&Jim,
Thank god you didn't sell us the other zoos last week....otherwise it would have been in the BFA tummy. Yes an expensive meal :o

but you just have to be firm with us! Only in the nicest possibly way ;)

How's our hammer doing btw?
:( As you know, there was the beginning of brown jelly when you came in last week, unfortunately, despite Brians best efforts I'm sorry to say the coral succumbed. :(

Regards

Sue

mysticwave

23-08-05, 23:16

Hi Sue
Its a shame, but thank you once again to try to save it for us. Most appreciated, I know that both you and Brian always try your upmost to save the creatures, like our CBB and the hammer, but definitely we will be very careful now.

We are in two minds to get another tank now....
CC&Jim

Mrs Ziggy CGA

23-08-05, 23:39

We are in two minds to get another tank now....
Well you already know not to make any rash decisions, but when you decide what to do you know that we are here to help/advise in anyway we can.

Regarding CBB's and Moorish Idols. We feel that due to the fact that seemingly healthy feeding specimens are still short lived,(appx 12-18 months), there must be a nutritional shortage in the foods we commonly feed. We have decided that untill the 'experts' and fish dieticians can find out what the missing ingredient is, then we will not stock either.

Sue

JasandJules

24-08-05, 06:30

Originally posted by Mrs Ziggy CGA@Aug 23 2005, 22:39
[QUOTE]We have decided that untill the 'experts' and fish dieticians can find out what the missing ingredient is, then we will not stock either.

Sue
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bow: :bow: :bow: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

wayne g

24-08-05, 12:02

Originally posted by Mrs Ziggy CGA@Aug 23 2005, 22:39
We are in two minds to get another tank now....
Well you already know not to make any rash decisions, but when you decide what to do you know that we are here to help/advise in anyway we can.

Regarding CBB's and Moorish Idols. We feel that due to the fact that seemingly healthy feeding specimens are still short lived,(appx 12-18 months), there must be a nutritional shortage in the foods we commonly feed. We have decided that untill the 'experts' and fish dieticians can find out what the missing ingredient is, then we will not stock either.

Sue
carlsberg dont do LFS's but if they did..........
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

popsock

24-08-05, 13:27

Interesting Sue, that's a very high moral ground, which whilst some people will appreciate (Wayne!) a lot won't. Its something my wife and I are considering for our shop right now, but we can't make up our minds! Do you stock green gonioporas? How about anemones? (don't answer!). Its interesting to think about where you would draw the line on this one.

Best wishes
Andy

wayne g

24-08-05, 14:43

that IS a dilema to be fair andy and i have to commend you on debating it honestly.
as i see it 'some' lfs's will stock ANYTHING that they can sell where as other are more considerate to the livestock.
eg. some shops i have been into over the years have stocked goni's etc in conditions that are less than favourable...they also sell to anyone.
when i took up reefkeeping about 15 years ago i was sold a goni to put into my 2 month old tank and told "it'll be fine"....with the lack of litrature and internet at that time i believed him....obviously it dies a few months later.
there are shops (like yours) though that have a far more responsible attitude to livestock.
the one thing i look for in a shop is staff that are prepared to ask a few questions with sensitive species...especially with strangers.
the other obvious thing i look for is the general health and well being of it's stock.....something you have no worries with on either subject i might add.

i think the long and short of it is to sell or even order those items after advising the keeping/survival issues with the cust 1st...ok so it may lead to no order/sale at that time but in the long run the cust will build a greater respect for the store after they have done a bit more reading and research.
i also wonder how many 'reefers' have left the hobby at an early point after a lot of losses from poor advise...or no advise at all from their lfs.
im glad to say that all sponsors that i have dealt with on this site usually have the creatures best interests in mind.
for the record the shop that i used top use long ago closed in the end and looking back to what he used to stock it was like the closing of autwicz.
:(

Will

24-08-05, 15:53

i personaly never choose livestock from tmc that wont last long term in captivity {afaik any way}

ie i always leave goni's behind and never get morish idols, or even powder blue's {mainly due them getting so stressed in holding tanks, not refernce thier captive care}

i would hate to have to deal with a customer that had bought say a green goni then found out that thier survival rate is less than 5% {all figure made up} and try and explain my actions and my ethics to him and it goes against all that i stand for in this hobby to condem certain livestock to death :thumbsup:

wayne g

24-08-05, 15:57

Originally posted by jimmyjayz@Aug 24 2005, 14:53
i personaly never choose livestock from tmc that wont last long term in captivity {afaik any way}

ie i always leave goni's behind and never get morish idols, or even powder blue's {mainly due them getting so stressed in holding tanks, not refernce thier captive care}

i would hate to have to deal with a customer that had bought say a green goni then found out that thier survival rate is less than 5% {all figure made up} and try and explain my actions and my ethics to him and it goes against all that i stand for in this hobby to condem certain livestock to death :thumbsup:
these are the kind of ethics that promote long term sucess in any business imo.
good on you mate!
:thumbsup:

ziggy

24-08-05, 16:11

Do you stock green gonioporas? How about anemones? (don't answer!).

Hi Andy,

Simple answers really:

Green Goni's = No

Anemone's = Only BTA's which we feel have a much better survival record and even then they're only sold to appropriate set up's hence we've had a green one for some 6 months now.

Oh and we once had an unidentified large Anemone from a customer but that was tank raised was a corker and took months before being sold on, was sad to see it go actually :(

There's plenty of other interesting livestock available that do far better in captivity :thumbsup:

JasandJules

25-08-05, 08:04

Popsock,

The thing is that some of us will more readily support a shop who does take such a moral attitude.

There is a difference between selling any stock to anyone (certain LFS close to me will sell you an anemone with the tank, just pop it in there with the water sir, it'll be fine...) and selectively choosing the stock which you will sell to a customer to hope to ensure its survival.

There will also be times I am sure when a certain item such as a red knobbed starfish may be for sale, but the shop with the correct moral attitude will advise it is not reef safe etc... and basically will put off people for whom it is unsuitable. Those shops who sell such starfish as reef safe (yes, the certain LFS is more than happy to say that) will then lose the customer who has his stock ruined.. They wish to go to shops they can trust.

Sam Hilton

25-08-05, 11:25

You're right JasandJules, but in my experience this high ground will simply pass most fishkeepers by. Its still something I'm very interested in doing - well, actually we already do it, we've just never made a big thing of it.

Powder Blues, thats another interesting one! Cleaner wrasses too. I've never had a problem keeping cleaner wrasses, but someone told me the other day they had tried 6 times and wanted to try another one!!!! I managed to persuade that chap to give up on the cleaner wrasses.

I'm actually quite keen on setting up a national standard that shops can sign up to. B)

Reef bloke

25-08-05, 18:34

What a refreshing attitude ziggy,im really going to have to make the effort to get up to you.You can always tell a good shop by the type of stock they keep.There is a certain shop near me in Gravesend that continually stocks anemones of various species,pink slugs,moorish idols etc.
Its more of a fishy style superstore and most of their young staff havent got the foggiest.They have thrown a fair wedge of dough at a refurb and yet they still stock organisms they know will die.
Why bother when i fully stocked tank can look superb without any of these fragile additions.When i have mentioned this fact i get the old chestnut that they have no control over the stock thats shipped.
All we can do is vote with our wallets i suppose.
Sorry rant over lol.

ziggy

25-08-05, 23:24

When i have mentioned this fact i get the old chestnut that they have no control over the stock thats shipped.

I suppose in a big chain store set up where the ordering is done from "central command" then this may be so, which is why us small independants have the upper hand in that only WE decide what we purchase :thumbsup:

It's then up to the customers as to who they support :cheers:

wayne g

26-08-05, 12:33

i know that my local branch of mai#######d aquatics hand pick from tmc themselves from the bad old days when i had no other aquatic shops in my area?
:ph34r:

fat boy

02-09-05, 14:27

hi
back to the issue of the moorish idol my dad purchased one today he has a 500 gallon system lets se how it gets on.

fat boy :whistling:

wayne g

02-09-05, 14:53

Originally posted by fat boy@Sep 2 2005, 13:27
he has a 500 gallon system lets se how it gets on.

that may make a hell of a diference in a tank that size!!!!!
:ph34r:

fat boy

02-09-05, 15:36

ILL KEEP YOU INFORMED,THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID FOR A LARGE SYSTEM

Will

03-09-05, 21:01

yeah like electic bills lol :lol:

fat boy

05-09-05, 11:15

the moorish idol is no more so it lasted a whole three days just goes to show massive system excellent water conditions and still it died :(

wayne g

05-09-05, 12:23

fair play for posting this....
:thumbsup:

thanks for tthe input,hopefully it'll discourage others who read this from attemting them.
:thanx:

JennyC

07-09-05, 16:54

I was thinking of it, but after speaking to and reading things posted on here I'm thinking its gonna be a definate no. Have to find something similar instead.

popsock

08-09-05, 00:14

They really are a nightmare. I know somebody who's tried quite a few (silly bugger). Even that stuborn sod has given up on them, which is good news for Moorish Idols. I now beleive that good shops shouldn't even regularly stock them. JMHO

JasandJules

08-09-05, 21:45

I was told by an LFS of a chap who bought a Moorish Idol.

3 days later his Carpet nem looked really fat... NO moorish..

He buys another one. It lasts a week before becoming a new snack..

He doesn't get a third.

JennyC

09-09-05, 09:25

Why try again? Surely if it's eaten it the first time it will the second aswell?!?

Poor fishes!

instantsquid

09-09-05, 09:46

Originally posted by JennyC@Sep 9 2005, 08:25
Why try again?
Because some people are not just stupid - they're really, really, really stupid. :blink:

JasandJules

09-09-05, 12:58

Yup, I think that about sums it up.

Will

09-09-05, 16:11

it can be so fustrating that people dont learn by thier mistakes, i mean it aint a cheep hobby and people throw money at it but dont listen how stupid are they

i do belive instantquid somed it up very well :thumbsup:

wayne g

09-09-05, 16:20

Originally posted by jimmyjayz@Sep 9 2005, 15:11
it can be so fustrating that people dont learn by thier mistakes, i mean it aint a cheep hobby and people throw money at it but dont listen how stupid are they

i do belive instantquid somed it up very well :thumbsup:
ditto!
:angry:

how many times have i heard..."well we had one a few weeks ago and it died...we'll try another though!"
whaat gets me is that they do no investigation into why????
:angry:

Will

09-09-05, 17:37

i mean this is where lfs have to be so carefull though if you refuse sales then you get tarred with a bad lfs store, but if you sell i and it dies then you help them through you get praises sung about you {madness i tell you madness} no one sees being told they cant have that its to hard for you as a sensible answer only as a patronising one :thumbsup:

treeboa

12-09-05, 11:50

unfortunatly untill someone finds the key to keeping these and other `hards` they will die, in the reptile world a fair few where considered impossible to keep never mind breed, by the dedication of herpers these are in the main now not only keepable but in a lot of cases breedable, what is needed is someone or a group dedicated to particular species, ok the problem could be the diet we feed them, what we consider a pest or a no no in a tank might be the key to keeping cbb`s, unfortunatly in this hobby as in a lot there are those who dont give two sh*** for the animals they keep, if it dies they will just go out and get another one, greedy lfs`s will happily keep supplying them, no not all lfs`s are the same but there are a few about that will, the till is the most important item in the shop, when i first started up many many years ago i was told use the gravel that you have in your tank, just add salt to the mix, pee in the tank to get the cycle going, thank god we have come a lot further these days, before you ask my initial footsteps into marine where not successfull, thank god someone who knew the game came to my rescue, 20 years back however we still used undergravel filtration, the hobby has come a long way since then, well i thought so till i saw the advice earlier

tangs

30-11-05, 18:01

the moorish idol is very hard to keep!i would suggest the wimplefish.

thanx

tangs :wave:

fras

07-12-05, 17:24

Hi all, I don't know if we're even allowed to post outside links here, but I found this thread to be very informative and an interesting read on the moorish idol.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthre...threadid=607477 (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607477)

Darryl

07-12-05, 18:56

I have Moorish Idol in the Rotherham tank I look after, it is the second greadiest fish in the tank, next to the Regals, it is growing, fat and in A1 condition, it eats anything I put in the tank including all the Ocean nutrition flakes. I love this fish more than some of the rarer dwarf angels the system holds, it is easy to see why, people want to keep them. I have a large system myself, but wouldn't try to keep one, I no they can survive in smaller tanks like mine (7x2.5x2.5) but I would like the fish to thrive, just like the one in the Rotherham tank is doing. I haven't read all the thread, but am just offering my experience of this magnificent fish, it's the first fish you see when you look in the tank :wub: The Rotherham tank is 12x5x3 with sumps to match, if your not aware of it's size :thumbsup: My thoughts are this fish should be left where it belongs, unless you can provide more than enough water and space for the fish to thrive in !