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:lol: hi i am new to ur forum, have had trouble regestering but have been following all forums for the past year.
my tanks specs are
TANK 24X24X48 BERLIN
TUNZE STREAM 60 80
MCE600 SKIMMER
4 BAR T5 LIGHTING
TMC UV STERLISER
50KG LIVE ROCK
STOCK: 1 yellow tang, 1 sailfin tang, 1 emporer angel, 9 green cromis, 1 radient wrasse, 1 marrron clown plus some soft corals, urchins, tubos, assorted crabs, hermits, bubble tip nems and cleaner shrimps
welcome! :) we want to see pics! :thumbsup: nick
Originally posted by nasotang@Jul 3 2005, 15:42
welcome! :) we want to see pics! :thumbsup: nick
just posted a pic of my tank :thumbsup:
1 yellow tang, 1 sailfin tang, 1 emporer angel, 9 green cromis, 1 radient wrasse, 1 marrron clown
I can also see a regal tang in there, I do not want to sound critical but that is a lot of potentially large fish there and IMO no where near enough swimming room. Tangs need long tanks of 5` or more and the lack of space will lead to stress/disease/squabbling as they grow and will cause you problems.
hello. i think ur tank may have tiped over onto it's end. be carfull the water doesn't come out. ;) :D
5061litres
03-07-05, 23:16
i honestly think that this is 1 of 2 of the crappest tanks i have seen on UR. the way that no attention to anything has been paid. no offence u guys, but it's like u paid attention to the bloke in the local aquatic supercenter that is just out to make a feww quid rather than help u to setup a thriving fish/reef tank.
Victor... how many inhabitants have u had die since u set up the tank??
tony
Originally posted by aragongod@Jul 3 2005, 22:16
i honestly think that this is 1 of 2 of the crappest tanks i have seen on UR. the way that no attention to anything has been paid. no offence u guys, but it's like u paid attention to the bloke in the local aquatic supercenter that is just out to make a feww quid rather than help u to setup a thriving fish/reef tank.
Victor... how many inhabitants have u had die since u set up the tank??
tony
Even though i probably wouldnt have worded it like this I am in agreeance. The stock you chose is definately not suitable for the size of the tank you have :(
I just hate to sound critical also, just felt it had to be said! You have to have the fishes interests at heart at the end of the day!
Guy
oh no :( i wish i never askes for a pic!
right victor im gunna be constuctive here!
it looks like there is a fair amount of space in that corner!a corner fish tank would look surpurb,something like a juwel trigon 350!
The main problem with your setup is lack of swimming space(if it was tipped up the other way then it wouldnt be so bad)
It must be a very difficult tank to work with ;) the lighting isnt sufficent if corals etc are wanted in the future! the t5s wont be able to reach the bottom!
if you have the money,time and you injoy the hobby then i would invest in a not only more suitable tank for the fish but something easyer to work with!
please dont take the comments above to heart! we are all concerned about the livestock after all they didnt ask to be taken from there home so the least we can do if give the best home possible!
please consider another tank!
thanks alot :thumbsup: nick
I have to agree with Nick on this one and you should definatly get a bigger tank.
You have some stunning fish there and i am sure they would look even more
stunning swimming around in a larger tank.
I if were you i would forget about going for a reef tank with corals for the time
being because of the initial cost of extra equipment such as expensive lighting
for £350 or so, that money could be used to buy a bigger aquarium
With that fish selection in a larger tank you would have one of the most stunning fish only aquariums i have seen
Just my opinion though
Hope this Helps
Elliott
Originally posted by nasotang@Jul 4 2005, 08:10
oh no :( i wish i never askes for a pic!
right victor im gunna be constuctive here!
it looks like there is a fair amount of space in that corner!a corner fish tank would look surpurb,something like a juwel trigon 350!
The main problem with your setup is lack of swimming space(if it was tipped up the other way then it wouldnt be so bad)
It must be a very difficult tank to work with ;) the lighting isnt sufficent if corals etc are wanted in the future! the t5s wont be able to reach the bottom!
if you have the money,time and you injoy the hobby then i would invest in a not only more suitable tank for the fish but something easyer to work with!
please dont take the comments above to heart! we are all concerned about the livestock after all they didnt ask to be taken from there home so the least we can do if give the best home possible!
please consider another tank!
thanks alot :thumbsup: nick
good constructive critisism!!
agree all round>
At the moment I feel sorry for the bubble tip nems as they wont receive enough light if they've gone down too deep.
If you can afford it, change the tank or de-glaze and and turn it over or at least get a cheap Clearseal tank for the time being just to give your tangs some swimming space.
RedevanceUK
04-07-05, 11:30
I think you guys scared him away :o
This poor guy has just been able to join & is probably on the look out for advice, you've just probably devastated him.
Experience is something you gain after you've made a B****s up....
We followed advice from a LFS & filled our tank with tap water...then bought a green brittle as it was sold to us as a serpent star...you learn eventually.
Victor this tank isn't an ideal tank for the fish you have especially the Regal Tang they need plenty of swimming space....
You've been given some options I would like to ask where your located so people can put you in touch with a good LFS...The reglazing option seems like a good one depends on the funds you have available to get another tank.
Don't be deterred get back with some replies & everyone will help as much as they can
he's located in London - check his profile.
I think there comes a time when you should stop 'pussy footing' around with advice.....
I disagree with the view that you can only gain experience through making a b*****s up of something too. In my opinion that advocates not bothering to research things properly before you get them. grrrr!
Anyway, I hope you come back Victor - an alternative to getting a new tank is to return al the fish and anemones and stock the tank with more appropriate live stock. I think it could still look OK, but with a more sensible choice of inhabitants.
Lighting is going to be a problem.
RedevanceUK
04-07-05, 12:03
Yes but as you well know there are stores out there that are willing to make a fast buck....& when you are a novice, you think that the advice you are getting is sound.
I can't honestly believe that i'm the only person to have made a B****s up...perhaps i'm just less fortunate than others...oh well :rolleyes:
Hi
Even though i set-up my tank the best i could first time around i have to admit i still made loads of mistakes due to me taking unnecessay risks and recieving
bad advice from the LFS if you remember a few months back i nearly gave up
due to on going fish dying and algae problem situation which without the help
from UR members i would have definatly quit the hobby but you UR members
gave me the advice i needed to turn my tank around.
Don't feel bad everone makes mistakes
just start again and learn from them
good luck
Elliott
JasandJules
04-07-05, 13:23
Hopefully Victor will realise the above have been posted for the benefit of the Livestock, he will take heart, and follow the advice, and show us piccies of a wonderful new tank.
Originally posted by RedevanceUK@Jul 4 2005, 11:03
Yes but as you well know there are stores out there that are willing to make a fast buck....& when you are a novice, you think that the advice you are getting is sound.
I can't honestly believe that i'm the only person to have made a B****s up...perhaps i'm just less fortunate than others...oh well :rolleyes:
i dont think anyone has been paticularly harsh and most have offered advise to try and help.
my reply was to simply quote nick as i felt he had covered the reply fairly well.
you're quite right about some less that ethical stores (no prizes for guessing which chain store within a garden centre) .
however when livestock is at risk i personally dont care about offending people and i feel most peeps who come in and post are the same on the whole.
victor did say in his opening line that he has been reading up on the forums for over a year also.
hopefully the silver lining to this cloud will be that victor will change things around and provide better conditions/space/lighting/etc etc for the animals he has chosen to keep.
ps. victor...please feel free to post as many questions as you want to help us help you improve things!
:thumbsup:
Originally posted by JasandJules@Jul 4 2005, 12:23
Hopefully Victor will realise the above have been posted for the benefit of the Livestock, he will take heart, and follow the advice, and show us piccies of a wonderful new tank.
oi!
i was typing that!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Andythescientist
04-07-05, 14:00
Hi victor, nice to see you join us.
You've got some really nice fish there. How longs the tank been set up for? and how long has the stock been living in it?
As has been said the space is not really ideal, although i'm not necessarrily sure the critisism about the vertical configuration is entierly fair. In the wild alot of these species live on vertical walls, so they are quite used to cruising both vertical and horizontally. The bigest drawback must be working with the tank, how on earth do you reach the bottom!
As has been said with vertical tanks the biggest problem your going to have is lighting. As has been said, with vertical tanks the lights just don't have the penitration, even a 250w metal halide would not penetrate to the bottom. Which is the main reason why most people go horizontal, not necessarily for the good of the fish, as i don't think i've ever read a study on the success of fish in horizontal compared to vertical tanks.
JasandJules
04-07-05, 15:49
Wayne, too slow my friend, too slow.... :-)
HELLO ALL JUST GOT IN FROM WORK LOGGED ON TO UR FORUM AND I READ 1 OF THE CRAPPEST TANKS I HAVE SEEN NO OFFENCE. TOP THAT FOR A WELCOME.
simple advice! ignore it victor :D i agree it was totaly out of order! :thumbsup: nick
i personally think the tank is too small for the fish in it but i need talk i have 2 inch regal in my 20 gal she will leave once i can find someone who will take her for a swap for a few softies
she seems happy enough full of life and colour but i know she cant stay which is devastating
he other thing i was gonna ssk what that someone said about how bad it is to use tap water
i understand phosphates and alkilinity ae the main problems with tap water along with the chemicals
but in my area the lfs i trust the most use tap water for there fish and soft corals i also use tap water oubviously with dechlorinator and run rowphos first and i know hard corals would die in my set up but my softies fishs and nem seem to thrive just though id have a bit of a rant
i just seem to think ro water althoguh lovely it is seems to be a waste to me personally
although i like the tank and idea ss its quite comtempary i do feel the livestock will suffer
plus you have some ace equipment and qaulity live rock get a second hand 4x2x2 and the tank will be ace
RedevanceUK
04-07-05, 19:43
We chose to buy an ro/di unit because of the phosphates in our water.
With some improved lighting & a rethink on fish stocks, I think that tank could look great...depends on Vic's plans for the future
well could it be that in my area the phosphates in the water arent that bad
the other thing that puts me of ro is that it has to be on 25 7 which means you have to use a lot of water
fishandchips
04-07-05, 20:08
who told you ro unit's have to be on 24/7 :blink:
RedevanceUK
04-07-05, 20:12
Our ro/di unit turn's off...via the valve it came with & on the unit itself...We're in a hard water area, the water quality is not that great further complicated since they tore the pipes up a few weeks back due to a burst main
ahh well tht make sense lol ive been keeping a reef a year and never knew that i mighgt invest in one in that case
jamie reefer
05-07-05, 11:21
Hi Victor
Some good sound advice there from different members,I would take on board about buying a second hand tank,and some more lighting to go with the new tank,as all your other equipment is spot on for another set up.
Is there no where you can house the fish and corals until you sort the tank,thats if you are going to take the advice of people on here.
There is always second hand tanks going on this forum,have a look around see what you can pick up,if you are not sure then this is the place to ask.
In all honest true the way that your current tank is set up I dont think it has a good recipe for success,main factor been the deepth of the tank,for the lighting to punch down to the bottom,you would need a serious lighting system,also for the cleaning of the tank, it is important that you can access all areas in the tank,which you certainly could nt do that with this set up.....
As far as nems are concerned I would remove straight away and take it back to the shop that you purchased from and explain why you are taking it back,if the shop wants your custom then he be able to help you,if he would help then he has seen you coming and he was after the quick buck.....
Victor please dont take these comments the wrong way as people on here are trying to help you,please take on board some of the infromation that members have given....and keep your head up mate..... :thumbsup:
Ps got some stunners there in the fish do you want them to be happy :thumbsup:
Evilmop44 have you tested your tapwater for phosphate? Your only up the road from me and the phosphate in my tap water is off the scale.
John....
I tend to agree with all the comments, even the harsh ones !
I only spent a little while reading up on here before doing my tank and I found it easy to pick up the basics.
It doesnt take all that much planning, so I wonder what you actually read in that year ? I looks like that light is hardly penetrating at all, and I wouldnt be too proud of that sitting in my corner. Do your nems and softies seem to be doing well ?
Poor fish.
hello and welcome victor
take no notice of this thread, people can be so stupid, and the end of the day tanks dont photo well to start with and its not thebest photo
you may hae a heavy bio load which wont be making your life any easier and those fish do need loads of room, but i think the tank could look quite good other wise get some laminate to go round the top to help hide the equipment would tidy it up loads.
now to the people who posted in a bad way on this thread ever heard, not got something nice to say then dont say it, i have seen a lot of your tanks with threads on here and many of them didn't start out as they do now did they, and you guys were also pretty ignorant when you joined {thats why we search out places like this}
with some work that tank could look good imo :thumbsup:
what i would do personally is :
build a live rock collum with a pole going straight through it, and graft non photosynthetic corals to the lower region, and gradually build up to higher light levels from about 15" from the surface and restock the fish with a load of small reef fish such as fridmani, canary wrasse, green chromis, clowns, emperor cardinals etc
then cover the top to hide the equipment, and change the light to a single 250 watt halide pendant, with blue tubes just on the glass and run around a 14k bulb to produce lots of blue to help penetrate the depth of tank
and i recon it would look great mate :thumbsup:
Kenslovechild
08-07-05, 22:47
Hey Aragongod, when you said this was one of the 2 crappest tanks you've seen on UR, was this the other one? ;)
Wow that's ugly (http://www.acroreef.co.uk/oldtank1.php)
Cheers
Ken
Ps Victor, do your own thing mate. :D :D
Major Stare
09-07-05, 07:52
build a live rock collum with a pole going straight through it, and graft non photosynthetic corals to the lower region, and gradually build up to higher light levels from about 15" from the surface and restock the fish with a load of small reef fish such as fridmani, canary wrasse, green chromis, clowns, emperor cardinals etc
then cover the top to hide the equipment, and change the light to a single 250 watt halide pendant, with blue tubes just on the glass and run around a 14k bulb to produce lots of blue to help penetrate the depth of tank
Thats some good advise there and pretty much what i'd do ! :idea:
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