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:eek: Think my banner has white spot just been looking at it and few white spots on tail and fins, shall i treat it now or leave it till moring see if he fights it off or shimpy will do anything??
Cheers
Adam
chrisgregg
24-08-06, 20:23
if its whitespot for sure then ive just got rid off mine in my tank took 2 weeks thought i used myaxsin every 12hrs also been running ozone but dont no if it helped
will my shrimp be ok and emerald crab, dont wanna harm them :(
chrisgregg
24-08-06, 20:38
look below what i have in my tank all ok still its reef safe but not clams as ive been told :D
Reef bloke
24-08-06, 20:47
Personally id just feed well and keep your hands out of the tank.Im not a fan of using any treatments in my reef.I had whitespot that effected the majority of my tangs when i moved tanks.I just fed well and the whitespot cleared within 2 weeks.
Stress is the fishes enemy regarding white spot.Keep water quality high,make sure your skimmer is working effeciently and avoid temp swings.
Grating a little fine garlic and mixing with your food is also supposed to help although i reserve judgement on that.
:confused: What should i do treat or not treat, i'll leave it still morning but it does look a little worse already, might just be me but hope it clears up
:eek: white spot :eek: :( , tell you tank 4 months old seems it just wont settle
Not a fan of feeding garlic myself but you may want to think about the New Era Aegis range of foods if you want to go down the immunomodulating route
dont wanna temp fate but woke up today a bannerfish seems to be battling against the spot, hasnt got any worse so , thats good
dont wanna temp fate but woke up today a bannerfish seems to be battling against the spot, hasnt got any worse so , thats good
Nor do I but if it is white spot it is now at the encysted stage in the sand/rock work and will emerge shortly as tomitea to re-infect your fish and the white spots will be back in a few days. however if it isn't (and there is a good chance it isn't marine white spot) then you will probably be OK
:eek: Hope not the spots just look faded and he's always near my cleaner shrimp , he's feeding fine and swimming about chasing the tang , so he's in good health i think
chrisgregg
25-08-06, 20:56
fish can fight it but your better trying to keep it under control if true white spots they will multiply over night and more fish will be infected
No sign of white spot at all today :D just cyano still :mad:
OH MY GOD :mad:
white spot has come back, was trying to hold of with the treatment but think i should now, the fish seemed ok for a few days couldnt see any on them , mistake it think!!
shouldnt harm my coral or caulerpa should it??? i have esha oodinex treatment
chrisgregg
31-08-06, 21:50
coral should be ok told you this might happen and another word off advice dont use that esha crap it doesnt work, only thin i have found to work is myxasin by waterlife.... also another one on the market is kent marine rxp and thats crap to... it didnt do nothing and it stinks like pepper :confused:
myxasin works best 12 hrs apart and raise temp to 27.5 this will speed up the process to help kill them off only stop using when you are shure it has passed and there are no more signs or your back to square one fella :D
Yea i know,
ive had to treat them now, cant afford to leave it any longer , i'll just keep going till i know i def gone, there still feeding well from hand as such
.......and raise temp to 27.5 this will speed up the process to help kill them off ........
Although this works well for freshwater white spot ("ich" or Ichthyophthirius multifilis) I would not recommend this for marine whitespot (Cryptocarrion irritans) which is more tolerant of higher temperatures. This strategy speeds up the life cycle, as you say, but does not kill the parasite. the result is you end up with more parasites in a given period of time and the infection tends to go nuclear far more rapidly. Giving you less time to treat the fish successfully.
Also the higher temperature can stress your inverts which, given that many medications upset inverts too. may cause them serious problems as well.
chrisgregg
01-09-06, 21:36
get some myxasin adam and read the lable... did this will mine and cleared it all my tang was really bad and from what i have read and been told raise temp to 27.5 this speeds up the process and they only die when they drop off the fish to multiply not when they are attached to the fish??? so your speeding up the die off rate not giving them more help to grow there numbers
instantsquid
01-09-06, 21:48
Sorry chrisgregg, but you're wrong. Please read about the lifecycle of Cryptocarrion irritans (marine whitespot) before stating that it can be treated in the same way as freshwater whitespot. They are NOT the same disease!
Here's a good read:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
- Ian.
myaxin is a bacterial based treatment imo it wont work, just another placibo that turns the water green so you feel its working !!
the esha treatment wont kill it off but will hold it at bay, but i like to run the full treatment each day and leave skimmers on, but thats just me, i find this way it acts as a bath !
Sorry chrisgregg, but you're wrong. Please read about the lifecycle of Cryptocarrion irritans (marine whitespot) before stating that it can be treated in the same way as freshwater whitespot. They are NOT the same disease!
Here's a good read:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
- Ian.
Thanks Ian, saved me a bit of typing :D
chrisgregg
02-09-06, 09:20
please read other threads wombat has got a thing about creating arguments like in my white spot post and wombat i was just telling him that this is what i did and others have told me and it worked for me so...... also dont belive what you read till you try it for yourself
I don't think wombat's creating an argument here, but providing advice based on experience (he is, after all, a fish parasitologist). Don't confuse a different opinion for someone having a pop at you.
I would agree with you that myxazin is a suitable treatment for marine white spot in a reef (but no better or worst than any onther product on the market).
Don't forget you used ozone too, which is a very powerful biocide and almost certainly contributed to your success in eradicating white spot (especially at your dose rate of 20mg to 55 gallon as you have posted elsewhere), so it would be hard to conclude that your sucessful outcome was totally based on a course of myzaxin
However, I would not agree with you that raising the temperature to 27.5oC would help cure the disease. IMHO that would potentially give you a much bigger problem as the life cycle will speed up and there will be less time to intervene with a treatment.
K What Do I Do!! Wimplefish Still Has White Spot Cant Get Rid Of !!!!!
feel like taking him out and well :( you know, other fish are fine, just him!!!
instantsquid
03-09-06, 22:57
Have you done any research into whitespot and it's treatment? There was a useful article on the previous page of this thread.
Do you have the facility to treat your fish away from the reef tank? If not, the most effective treatment method (copper) is not an option. There are "reef safe" treatments, but I am dubious as to their effectiveness (others may have different opinions of course!)
If you cannot remove the infected fish, all you can do is to maintain optimum water conditions and feed the fish well. A previous post mentioned the New Era Aegis foods and these are definitely worth investing in.
- Ian
I have been treating him with reef safe treatment, but just keeps it at bay then when stop comes straight back, he still feeds well (mysis and krill, dried seaweed)
All i have is my spare tank with a heater that i mix RO water iand salt in
can you get these treatment off the net? if so where?
instantsquid
04-09-06, 07:35
Which treatments? Do you mean the food? Most LFS now sell it.
- Ian
Was going to buy off the net as my LFS dosent sell this food
Try the sponsors. I'm pretty sure STM sell it :)
instantsquid
04-09-06, 11:10
Try another shop????
On the New Era Website there-there is a list of local suppliers, many of which are sponsors
http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/
Just a question, at the risk of being accused of being argumentative :eek: , but are you 100% sure it is marine white spot (Cryptocarrion irritans) you have? Rather than just a single fish with white spots which may be something else?
If you are unsure of your diagnosis have a read of JonW's thread in the fish health section
it is just one fish at the moment , why what else could it be?
heres a pic
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploader/2006Q1/white spot.JPG
now clown tang has it, spreading!! :(
heavy breathing , think he's on his way out
heavy breathing , think he's on his way out
Which one is on it's way out.:(
John.
whimplefish , slowing down , not dashing for food
shall i try and catch him put in in my other tank that i only use to heat up the RO water? just a 2ft tank with water nothing else
it could be Costia, Lympocystis, Gyrodactylus, papilloma viruses, pox viruses, chalimus stages of copepodids, Glochidia larvae, micro bubbles, sand grains etc etc Marine White spot (Cryptocaryon irritans) is an easy disease to confuse with other diseases that give white spots
As it is spreading and the wimple is getting worst that isn't good news. It's hard to be 100% sure of the diagnosis from the photo but I would agree that marine white spot is the most likely cause here
I'd consider hyposalinity if you have a reef tank. If not go in with copper. Otherwise it is a reef safe treatment some people swear by them other at them. If used properly I think they work but the dose must be spot on.
What about a dip i fresh water?
Sadly it doesn't work for marine white spot as the parasite is embedded in the skin and the freshwater can't reach it.
well i guess i just gotta ride it, odered some of that new era aegis stuff, someone on here said try that, thats coming tomoz but could be to late, just worried im gona lose all my other fish :(
The Aegis stuff is good (best on the market IMHO) but will only support the fish by boosting its immune system, its not a direct white spot cure. It is better used as a strategic food to prevent white spot
Was treating it but a day after it came straight back
Re the other fish if it is getting worst then you will have to think about hyposalinity or a reef safe cure. If copper treatment is out.
Was treating it but a day after it came straight back
did you finish the course of medication?
You drop the salinity in the tank to below 1.017 (some say as low as 1.009 but IMHE 1.015 is about as far as I would take it.)
The infectious stages of marine white spot, the tomites, can't survive the low salinity and die off. But it can take a long time to cure a tank like this, maybe a month to 6 weeks. However, you can keep on with a reef safe cure whist you are carrying out hyposalinity
Most inverts are OK with it, but it can be stressful for shrimps and urchins/starfish/brittle stars
you could always start another course of your reef safe medication it sounds as if it was working and just needed more time from what you have said
Yea see got a cleaner shrimp and baby star fish (found today!!) so dont wanna put them at risk, guess i'll just have to treat and hope for the best
but it says only 3 days no more
Hum, how long does it say between treatments?
first day 30 drops then 17 next day, then 17 day after then stop!
what I meant does it say something like "wait 7 days then start again"?
Just that as the spots seemed to go and then came back as soon as you stopped it would strike me as worthwhile trying again especially as the wimple has got so bad
not that i can see on box! just says 3 day course, well just put in some more drops , but prob to late for him, gutted i like him as well :(
just wanna say thanks to you guys for trying to help, but it dosent look good for the whimplefish may not make it through the night :( :( :(
Shame they are a nice fish.
yea might get another one, not sure
instantsquid
05-09-06, 09:33
Sorry to hear that, Adam. Fingers crossed for the rest of the fish.
- Ian
Yea these things happen, will leave it a while before i get another fish, not sure what to get though next time :confused:
R.I.P WHIMPS
Yea these things happen, will leave it a while before i get another fish, not sure what to get though next time :confused:
R.I.P WHIMPS
Sorry to hear the news, Adam.
IMO another wimplefish would be a no-no in your size tank (as I think you mentioned on another thread): until you've got your full complement of LR I don't think you should be getting anything else yet. :(
nah i wont, have you seen my tank in pic (minus ocean rock plus more LR) :)
R.I.P WHIMPS
Yes, Adam - as I said at the time, it's looking much better. How much LR have you got now?
oh sorry :o
think still only about 8/9kg but have other things to pay this month so will have to wait untill end of the month, would like to get it upto about 15/18kg.
15-18kg should be fine, :) especially if you design in plenty of holes and caves to allow flow through and avoid dead spots. Keep a close eye on your params when the new rock goes in - it can cause an ammonia / nitrite spike. Wait for stability and good params before adding extra stock and stock slowly: it'll take time before the rock is working at full efficiency. You know what they say: in reefkeeping, good things take time but bad things happen quickly!:D
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