New Era spray

[Corsetts]

Evening all :D
A couple of quick questions if I may.

I've just bought some of the Total nutrition liposome spray, following on from a recent thread on top of the advice of a friend who was raving about the stuff.

Anybody know if it really does what it claims?

The blurb on the label reads a bit like those dodgy shampoo ads that indirectly claim to knock 10 years off you :D
I appreciate the concept of liposomes, but I assume that if the product isn't sold for human consumption then they can pretty much print what they like on the label with no fear of legal implications?

Anybody know if this stuff does actually carry vitamins into frozen food cells or have I just bought an overpriced bottle of cod liver oil?:)

Also, how does it "prevent the rapid degredation of thawing frozen food"?

[jobr]

Dont know much about New Era but i was under the impression that you used three sprays in conjuction with each other, as opposed to one on its own.

[Corsetts]

Thanks Jon, it doesn't mention any other sprays on the label though. They make three different kinds of flake that are supposed to be fed in some sort of order, but I'm a bit reluctant as they're £10.00 each :D

[redgill]

The full feeding system consists of three different sprays 1st been the one you have purchased that is the lipsome spray which you should feed for four weeks then you change to bottle number 2 which is aegis 1 and should be used for 2 weeks then change to bottle number 3 which is aegis 2 and again feed for 2 weeks then start the full cycle again i am currently using this product but tbh i dont really see any difference in my fish and as you say at 27 pound for the full system maybe it is just expensive cod liver oil

[Corsetts]

The full feeding system consists of three different sprays 1st been the one you have purchased that is the lipsome spray which you should feed for four weeks then you change to bottle number 2 which is aegis 1 and should be used for 2 weeks then change to bottle number 3 which is aegis 2 and again feed for 2 weeks then start the full cycle again i am currently using this product but tbh i dont really see any difference in my fish and as you say at 27 pound for the full system maybe it is just expensive cod liver oil

Thanks for that :)

I'm feeling even more sceptical now:(
Do the different sprays have different vitamins that are incompatable with each other?

[instantsquid]

Have you had a read of the New Era website? It's definitely not a con, there has been a huge amount of research into fish immunology.

http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/

- Ian

[jobr]

AEGIS LIPOSOME SPRAY http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/pxt.gif
Our innovations in lipid technology have enabled the benefits of our dietary advancements to be incorporated into frozen feeding regimes.

The Aegis Liposome Sprays Type I & II are rich in vitamins and antioxidants and use a blend of premium fish oils with natural pigments and nutraceuticals that bind to the tissues of frozen foods to enhance its nutritional profile.

Rotating Marine spray with Aegis Types I & II ensures nutritional variety that will maximise health and vigour of your fish.

Benefits:
• A unique strategy that is a simple and effective
addition to habitual feeding programmes.

Available in:
More Info: http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/icons/spray.gif 100ml spray bottles http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/icons/pdf.gif (http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/infosheets/nea-aegis.pdf) Download PDF infosheet (http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/infosheets/nea-aegis.pdf)

[Corsetts]

Thanks Ian, it's certainly an impressive looking website.

I know nothing about biology, but the claims sound as if a lot of expensive development work has been done, would this be viable for fish food?
I don't think it's a con as such, I did afterall buy the stuff on reccomendation but I wonder why you need to buy 3 of each and then follow a feeding regime?

If it is down to incompatability of the various components which means that they can't be intergrated into one product, then fair enough but as I say I know nothing about it.

It just makes me wonder that the claims of being a nutraceutical are easy to make when the product is sold as unfit for human consumption and not, I guess, subject to the same strict legislation. Although I notice that the packaging does not state this............?

[Corsetts]

AEGIS LIPOSOME SPRAY http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/pxt.gif
Our innovations in lipid technology have enabled the benefits of our dietary advancements to be incorporated into frozen feeding regimes.

The Aegis Liposome Sprays Type I & II are rich in vitamins and antioxidants and use a blend of premium fish oils with natural pigments and nutraceuticals that bind to the tissues of frozen foods to enhance its nutritional profile.

Rotating Marine spray with Aegis Types I & II ensures nutritional variety that will maximise health and vigour of your fish.

Benefits:
• A unique strategy that is a simple and effective
addition to habitual feeding programmes.


Available in:

More Info: http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/icons/spray.gif 100ml spray bottles http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/images/icons/pdf.gif (http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/infosheets/nea-aegis.pdf) Download PDF infosheet (http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/infosheets/nea-aegis.pdf)

Thanks Jon :D

I've read most of the blurb, I just get the feeling i'm being "blinded by the science" and am just curious as to what anyone who is familiar with this type of subject makes of it

[instantsquid]

if you feed immune boosters all the time the animals undergo a phenomena know as tolerance, so to maintain performance you feed a diet without any for a period in this case 4 weeks on there marine flake then Aegis I for 2 weeks followed by Aegis II for two weeks and then repeat the cycle. The reason you use two immune boosters is because one will help the cell mediated components of the immune system the other will boost the non-specific and humeral side of the immune system

Hope Wombat doesn't mind me cutting and pasting this from another thread. :)

- Ian

[Corsetts]

Cool, thanks Ian :D

I'm all for develoment in this hobby, I'm just very cynical ;)
My fish seem pretty healthy but there's nothing wrong with impoving on it.

I've just read the thread that quote was taken from as it goes, I was on holiday then which was why I missed it.

I'll give the flake a go as well then, I've always wondered how my fish used to get all their nutritional requirements soley through frozen brineshrimp, mysis, a bit of fresh seafood occasionally and picking at the rocks. My guess is that they aren't :( so if someone's come up with an improvement I'll give it a go

[jobr]

Let us know how you get on Chris, will be interesting to hear the feedback.

Agree about the nutritional requirements and one of the reasons I feed so many different foods.

[Wombat]

Nope that's fine.

If you want to read the the science behind the best review is

The use of immunostimulants in fish larval aquaculture (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDTOPTWOFIVE&_version=1&_piikey=S1050464805000501&md5=7baca512f9a041adc030cd56a13e41bd) • Article
Fish & Shellfish Immunology, Volume 19, Issue 5, 1 November 2005, Pages 457-472
Bricknell, I.; Dalmo, R.A.

There is a lot of work being done on immunostimulants in fish and they have provided some exciting results. I know New Era are using some very clever science here based on some top notch research at UK labs and ahve used an eminent fish immunogist as a consultant. But there are other products too such as Vetriguard made by Alpharma
see
http://www.alpharmaanimalhealth.co.uk/DOCS/VGARD.html

[Corsetts]

Nope that's fine.

If you want to read the the science behind the best review is

The use of immunostimulants in fish larval aquaculture (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDTOPTWOFIVE&_version=1&_piikey=S1050464805000501&md5=7baca512f9a041adc030cd56a13e41bd) • Article
Fish & Shellfish Immunology, Volume 19, Issue 5, 1 November 2005, Pages 457-472
Bricknell, I.; Dalmo, R.A.

There is a lot of work being done on immunostimulants in fish and they have provided some exciting results. I know New Era are using some very clever science here based on some top notch research at UK labs and ahve used an eminent fish immunogist as a consultant. But there are other products too such as Vetriguard made by Alpharma
see
http://www.alpharmaanimalhealth.co.uk/DOCS/VGARD.html

That's some interesting research :D it's not snake oil then.

Thanks for the links :)





Let us know how you get on Chris, will be interesting to hear the feedback.

Agree about the nutritional requirements and one of the reasons I feed so many different foods.

Will do Jon, I bought a pot today, I'll post back in a months time :)

[Wombat]

Just for the record I've used it since it was launched (both the Aegis flakes and liposome sprays) and had excellent results. It's especially good if you use it prior to when you know the fish will be stressed such as a tank move or shipping.

IMHO One of the most novel and useful things to come on the market in the last 12 months or so. I wish they'd do an Aegis version of their herbivore flake too!