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Is it me or the prices or the new D&D nano very pricey? and the difference people are charing for the same tank can be crazy! Just had a look on the net and seen a wide variatin of prices!
Anyway is the Red Sea on sale in the UK? if so where
D&D why are they so expensive and especially the Viper M/H!
I have just seen a link about Aqua Medics new nano stream which probably never be sold in the UK. Any idea on price anyone?
Sorry for the moan but getting a little p*ssed off at the prices of plastics, wires a few motors and some bulbs!
REF!!!
if you think the d & d is expensive , look at the expected price of the red sea max...
http://www.red-sea-max.co.uk/
REF!!!:eek:
What a total rip-off!
My god are they trying to kill the hobbie!
I thought a nano was a nice cheaper space saving alternative, obviously not!
Migt as well get a decent size tank and stock it with the fish you really want.
The Red Sea is not a Nano 130 litres!!!!!!! More of a Chromis challenger.
What is on STM's counter is a Nano :)
jobr, do you mean theres a red sea system thats smaller than the one in the link.
The one I looked at whilst at Glee was I think 130 litres, that is not a Nano.
I don't recall seeing anything smaller (from Red Sea) but I could have missed one.
Just opened the link, yep 130 litres, Nano?????? Who are they trying to kid.
withoutabix2002
23-10-06, 20:27
that red sea looks a total rip they only give you 10x turnover most people know that 20x is around the required mark so that would prob need ungrading straight away and as for competing with the chromis i dont fink it comes close atleast wid the chromis you get a halide and a decent skimmer!!!
and apparently aqua-medic are releasing a nano in the new year apparently lol
neil
AM are bringing out a Nano along the lines of the D&D, as will a lot of other companies.
The Red Sea is designed to take on the AM Chromis (there words at Glee) similar size, shape, filtration built in, designed to be plug and play etc.
At Glee Red Sea also were pushing a box of stuff to compliment the Max, can't remember what was in it. Basically a starter kit but it had salt and may be a multi test kit.
the one on stm's counter is a wave box 30. 30 litres 12"x12"x14". comes with light, filter box for flow, think it comes with a heater, 3 kilos of ultra rock, 2 kg of stm sand all for well under a £100 unless i'm mistaken.
still over priced imo!
(red sea)
the one on stm's counter is a wave box 30. 30 litres 12"x12"x14". comes with light, filter box for flow, think it comes with a heater, 3 kilos of ultra rock, 2 kg of stm sand all for well under a £100 unless i'm mistaken.
And looks sweet:)
certainly does. still trying to work out where to put it, ofcourse tho, there's the added bonus of if it dont look right, pick it up and move it :D
thats my personal favourite at the moment. it has to be near a chair thats for sure, i could stare at one all day i reckon.
The more I think about it, the more I think I should have got one for the desk.
what would you stock it with scoob? Im thinking about getting one but need ideas!
looking at it today i can see one with a couple of hallowe'en hermits, a couple of florida rics, a nassarius vibex, couple of asternia stars, a banded gobie and pistol. some varying coloured discasoma shrooms maybe a small plating monti, just to see. a piece of blue tubular sponge and any little odds and sods i fancy plucking from the main tank. if you are going to stm later, you'll see what i mean on the counter. its a very basic tank but it absorbs you. with a bit more colour in there you'd never be able to leave it alone.
Reef bloke
24-10-06, 01:18
Theres me thinking you'd shoehorn another tang in there Scoob.
simon garratt
24-10-06, 02:22
sorry, (i dont mean this to sound rude, nor stuck up)
But If anybody thinks £100 is too high for an all singing and dancing marine set-up, no matter how small.. then seriously, they are in the wrong hobby and have the wrong idea about what this hobby is all about IMO.
Just way up the cumulative cost of even the most basic of sumpless systems with a heater, internal filter, 2 tubes, and a basic skimmer and your easily into the £200-300 mark.
If you want cheaper, then your going to have to settle for some pretty dodgy kit and poor/risky build quality. You should then be asking yourself do the animals really deserve this kind of life/treatment/compromise.
You have to draw the line somwhere. between whats minimal ethically, and whats just plain tight, or simply non affordable under your 'current' financial situation.
Martins Talk at STM was a prime example that goes right down the line imo..
Dont keep a 10x4x4 if you cant afford the right kit and the running costs. Equaly that applies to smaller tanks, if your budget cant cover it, Then for the benifit of the animals, you shouldnt be doing it at all. Untill such time as you can afford it at least comfortably..
Si.
The D&D cube is £185 plus stand, the red sea is ? 700 (ish)
put your own system together..i have done mine on the cheap... second hand stuff and sale/clearence stuff
Aquaone euroview tank, (135 litres) shop damaged(scratched plastic trim)£25
cabinet for above tank (ex display) £40
Arcadia series 3 digital 1x250w halide 36 watt actinics (S/H) £100
Brackets for above £14
Deltec MCE600 (S/H) £65
seio M850 (closing sale) £20
MJ1200 (S/H) £10
5 litre HOB miracle mud fuge (complete with NJ400, miracle mud, live rock rubble, chaeto, cerith snails and mangroves) £35
Auto top up (S/H)£25
visitherm 200w (closing down sale) £10
so thats a nice tank, better lighting, better skimming, better flow
for a whopping £ 334... why would you want to buy an off the peg tank..
You are right simon, in terms of the hobby therse tanks are not massivly expensive, but do they represent value for money, look at your via aqua mod and a nano cube, not terribly different except the price tag
sorry, (i dont mean this to sound rude, nor stuck up)
But If anybody thinks £100 is too high for an all singing and dancing marine set-up, no matter how small.. then seriously, they are in the wrong hobby and have the wrong idea about what this hobby is all about IMO.
Just way up the cumulative cost of even the most basic of sumpless systems with a heater, internal filter, 2 tubes, and a basic skimmer and your easily into the £200-300 mark.
If you want cheaper, then your going to have to settle for some pretty dodgy kit and poor/risky build quality. You should then be asking yourself do the animals really deserve this kind of life/treatment/compromise.
You have to draw the line somwhere. between whats minimal ethically, and whats just plain tight, or simply non affordable under your 'current' financial situation.
Martins Talk at STM was a prime example that goes right down the line imo..
Dont keep a 10x4x4 if you cant afford the right kit and the running costs. Equaly that applies to smaller tanks, if your budget cant cover it, Then for the benifit of the animals, you shouldnt be doing it at all. Untill such time as you can afford it at least comfortably..
Si.
Si the guys commenting on the heavy price are reffering to the Red Sea max thing (see one of the first posts for link), the subject then moved on to the Nanos at STM and nothing negative has been said about them quite the contary.
If your looking for a nano tank give STM a ring very cheap.
simon garratt
24-10-06, 10:48
Hi guys...
Its been edited now, but it was the '£100 still to expensive' comment that surprised me.
fair comment though. I didnt realise there was some confusion over the prices. and i didnt see a price in the first link.
appologies.:o
si.
PS: all in, i recall the Via aqua set me back about £150 (not incl stock) £250 if you wanted to factor my own modification/labour charges. but thats not forgetting theres no skimmer on it either.:)
Just got back from STM, the nano tank looks awesome, saw it last week but looks even better this week.
£100 with live rock and sand, thats the cheapest nano setup ive seen and its by far the nicest.
is there any details/pictures for this stm nano?? im just looking at setting on up
yeah any info on the stm thingy?
sounds awesome
This is a link to the tank maufacturer
http://www.crocitrading.com/index.php?pp2=menu_cate&cate=32&mc=5&L=e&pp=show_prodotti&x=0&br=&kk=22&perpa=5&id_an=5396
Maybe ask in the stm forum for a picture?
rockpoolie
25-10-06, 10:49
This is a link to the tank maufacturer
http://www.crocitrading.com/index.php?pp2=menu_cate&cate=32&mc=5&L=e&pp=show_prodotti&x=0&br=&kk=22&perpa=5&id_an=5396
Maybe ask in the stm forum for a picture?
Aren't these the ones that were being given away with subscriptions to PFK, suge a huge demand they have withdrawn the offer
No idea mate but if so it was a crackign giveaway, thats £60's worth of tank with the light and filter?
no the PFK one was a superfish tank, they are £35-40 quid, got them in a LFS, lovely tank
one thing that you have also missed here is that the guy asked about the d&d nanos.
Now they come in two flavours.
My kids have the 24 gallon one which equals almost 120 litres.
Then you mention that the red sea 130 litre one is not a nano but no one seems to say that the d&d one at 24 gallon is not a nano.
So it comes down to two thing, you pay your money and what you get is what you pay for.
Why buy a 50 pounds tank and stick 3 to 4 hundred pounds worth of corals ect in it, you better off getting a good one and starting from there.
That said i have not seen stm's one and knowing them they always do a good quality system so i would say look at that one.
The d&d 24 gallon system can be found on ebay for around 120 pounds by the way.
Good luck.
one thing that you have also missed here is that the guy asked about the d&d nanos.
Now they come in two flavours.
My kids have the 24 gallon one which equals almost 120 litres.
Then you mention that the red sea 130 litre one is not a nano but no one seems to say that the d&d one at 24 gallon is not a nano.
So it comes down to two thing, you pay your money and what you get is what you pay for.
Why buy a 50 pounds tank and stick 3 to 4 hundred pounds worth of corals ect in it, you better off getting a good one and starting from there.
That said i have not seen stm's one and knowing them they always do a good quality system so i would say look at that one.
The d&d 24 gallon system can be found on ebay for around 120 pounds by the way.
Good luck.
D&D Nanos come in a 90 litre version or 45 litre, not 120 as you think.
sorry you must be confused, they come in 12 gallon or 24 gallon, now its around 4.5 litres per gallon x24 = 108.00 litres
i'm going to guess that the gallonage will be us gallons, 1 us gallon is .833 uk gallons , so the 12 would actually be 10 uk gallons or 45 litres
now thats a very good question, it staes 24 gallons on the specs, so who knows?
rockpoolie
28-10-06, 19:58
The D&D cubes are 12 or 24 US gallons so the 24 is about 90litres mines has a nett capacity of 68 litres after rock and sand added
now thats a very good question, it staes 24 gallons on the specs, so who knows?
sorry you must be confused, they come in 12 gallon or 24 gallon, now its around 4.5 litres per gallon x24 = 108.00 litres
Confused, don't think so :rolleyes:
D&D Aquarium Solutions Ltd are a well established company producing high quality marine aquariums.
Nano Reef is the term used to describe small marine aquariums stocked with a few very small fish, live rock and corals. It was once thought that maintaining such small marine aquariums was only for the most dedicated hobbyist, but advances in technology and techniques have made it possible for everybody.
These aquariums are ideal for a beginner to the marine hobby or as a second tank for the more experienced hobbyist. We have two sizes in stock, a 45 litre version, which is ideal as desktop aquarium, or a larger 90 litre one which is suitable for those wanting a few more fish.
Both units are finished in Gunmetal and feature a single wrap round front that eliminates unsightly corners, giving a larger viewing area.
The large but unobtrusive 3 stage filtration system situated at the back consists of a foam for removal of debris, ceramic rings for biological filtration & carbon for chemical filtration. Water is drawn through the filter by a powerful pump that circulates the water volume 10 times per hour.
Lighting is provided by the latest high output compact T5 technology giving intense illumination for even the most demanding corals. Two Moonlight LED’s provide a moonlight effect enabling you to watch the inhabitants at night. Twin cooling fans are built into the hood to extend the life of the lamps and help prevent overheating of the water.
i had it pointed out to me that the gallons we us, all i can say that in this case it will be 90 litres, my mistake thought it was uk gallons.
Maybe I can help clear a few things up regarding "MAX". Check out www.redseafish.co.uk (http://www.redseafish.co.uk) In some parts of the world any sort of complete aquarium is considered "nano". However this should not be mistaken for a small aquarium. It's 130 litres, has 110watts of lighting, 10x turnover circulation and a 1200lph turbo injected skimmer.Despite the earlier comment on this thread that 20x circ is required, all the research indicates 10x is the amount required to maintain a high redox potential and remove an environment suitable for c.bact. (red algae). There is only 1 plug and everything is controlled via a neat switch panel. The starter kit contains substrate, Coral Pro salt, test kits, hydrometer etc. Hope this helps.
Maybe I can help clear a few things up regarding "MAX". Check out www.redseafish.co.uk (http://www.redseafish.co.uk/) In some parts of the world any sort of complete aquarium is considered "nano". However this should not be mistaken for a small aquarium. It's 130 litres, has 110watts of lighting, 10x turnover circulation and a 1200lph turbo injected skimmer.Despite the earlier comment on this thread that 20x circ is required, all the research indicates 10x is the amount required to maintain a high redox potential and remove an environment suitable for c.bact. (red algae). There is only 1 plug and everything is controlled via a neat switch panel. The starter kit contains substrate, Coral Pro salt, test kits, hydrometer etc. Hope this helps.
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Into the blue
14-12-06, 21:33
Looking through the posts a price mentioned for the MAX was £700 & that's what my LFS has roughly said. Resonable if you look at what you get, plug & play entry level REEF tank. However why do euro reefers pay far less than us?
http://www.shop-meeresaquaristik.de/product_info.php?info=p2874_Red-Sea-Max----Plug---Play--tank-130-l-black.html
Thats £373.23 (Travelex currency convertor) don't know how much shipping to the UK is but it's still a bargin! All you need is socket adaptor! :D
i found what looks like the "official" max minisite at http://www.redseamax.com, not .co.uk
The Escaped Ape
22-12-06, 11:38
Anyone know what the stand designed to go with the Redseamax will cost? It looks great, but on that basis, I suspect will also come with a hefty price tag.
If this tank was on the market at around £400, only a little bit higher than the German website, they'd be on to a winner. Anyone have any clue why there's such a high mark-up in the UK? The usual rip-off UK reasons?
Unlike the "cheaper" German unit that has been referred to, the UK Max comes with the cabinet included, and is available in either black or silver.
The Escaped Ape
30-12-06, 23:30
Unlike the "cheaper" German unit that has been referred to, the UK Max comes with the cabinet included, and is available in either black or silver.
Really? They should make that clearer. It makes the deal look a hell of a lot more attractive if so.
The Escaped Ape
04-01-07, 20:50
Hmm. Just noticed that even with the stand the tank would only come to 728 euro on that site, roughly equating to £510, still almost £200 less than the UK RRP. Not seen anywhere saying the UK price includes the stand either. Anyone got any links?
To clarify things, I can categorically confirm that evrry single Max in the Uk is priced including the cabinet.
Oh great. 1st post of 2007 and the copious amounts of post-NY Eve Pinot have resulted in the fat that I can'tmspel "every". Sorry chums
The Escaped Ape
05-01-07, 12:38
Thanks Steve. Do you know anywhere selling them with info up on the net?
I'm off on a work trip for a week, so don't have access to a list of retailers who have ordered. However you could email: customercare@interpet.co.uk and they may be able to help. However much of Red Sea's product is distributed to retailers via a wholesaler, so we don't always know where it ends up.:)
The Escaped Ape
07-01-07, 20:56
Thanks Steve.
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