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Is there any news on when we can expect these to be release?
Dave
i know the calcium probe in under going stringent testing to make sure it doesnt wander over time {which hence takes time :whistling:}
its good they are testing them - they wouldnt want to relase them to only have lots fail and get sent back ;)
Calcium probe still on test, will be for at least 6 months as NO exisiting probe is suitable for long term immersion in salt water.
As soon as this one is sorte, then the technology for nitrate/phosphate/magnessium is sorted and these can follow on.
Lots of time and money (we are the only firm currently working on the calcium probe in this configuration, constant immersion) and are not going to let the research go to waste.
fish_r_friends_bruce
03-04-07, 10:25
Hi again,
Sorry ian this is also not true, 3 other companies are working on the same configuration.
The issue is that calcium, MG and nitrate etc work on specific ion absorbtion and at present the technology is not available to stop the membrane from becoming saturated.
Best wishes
Michael
tronica probe is not membrane technology, its being developed and paid for solely by tronica and being developed by a major probe manufacturer.
Hi again,
Sorry ian this is also not true, 3 other companies are working on the same configuration.
The issue is that calcium, MG and nitrate etc work on specific ion absorbtion and at present the technology is not available to stop the membrane from becoming saturated.
Best wishes
Michael
probably why they havent just released one quickly and are having them made but this takes time.
fish_r_friends_bruce
03-04-07, 11:33
Yep agree 100% this is the trap pinpiont fell into with the calcium monitor that has just had a new probe released for it.
Ion specific is extremely difficult to get correct, and I personally have my doubts ANY manufacturer will be releasing one this year, and I would not be putting my name down for one straight away not until proven.
Learnt the hard way on that one
Our probe is significantly different at present to others in development, tronica are paying for the development, so its NOT the same as the others, wont say how different:cool: , currently a secret.
It may not even come to fruition, who knows, but a few months in and all is still working..
Hey Wavey do they want another Beta Tank to test the Ca probe? Always willing to lend a hand :)
Our probe is significantly different at present to others in development, tronica are paying for the development, so its NOT the same as the others, wont say how different:cool: , currently a secret.
It may not even come to fruition, who knows, but a few months in and all is still working..
Ian, i second the post about testing, if your lokking for someone to test one, keep a secret and only speak to you then add me to your list.
Prepared to help to assist in getting these things onto the market, heard a rumor these we going to be a set it once and forget about it, is this true do you know or is this a prat of the testing thats going on?
Ian, i second the post about testing, if your lokking for someone to test one, keep a secret and only speak to you then add me to your list.
:p First come first serve :)
:p First come first serve :)
All yours mate ill have the second one after you :thumbsup:
Ans I will have the third :D
We are such a bunch of dreamers:laugh:
Ok we are in another year.
Any news?
Ever the optimist huh Dave? :whistling::laugh:
Cheers, Shelton.
:laugh: worth a prod though :)
Hi
There is lots of good things scheduled for 2008 but as far as I am aware the calcium and nitrate technology is still not rugged or cheap enough to work in the hostile low maintenance environment that is the average reef tank. Technology is under constant review so as sensors continue to improve I am sure Aquatronica will continue to evaluate and develop.
I personally think this will elude the hobby for a while longer as we want what does not exist. I sometimes think that a less rugged non constant immersion range of ion sensors is the more pragmatic short term answer. It use would go like this.
1. Remove storage cap from sensor
2. Immerse sensor allow to settle
3. Aquatronica takes a short series of readings does a bit of maths and stores the result with date time code etc.
4. User cleans sensor refits cap
With the right program and say Balling method and a doser if the aquarium had lost xxx ppm this week the tronica could calculate the needed dosage for the coming week.
But this approach is by most considered a kludge so we are unlikely to see it adopted.
Just so you are aware this is my opinion on the situation not one stated by Aquatronica, even though we represent them in the UK.
I also wonder in the real world how many people would bother with constant immersion sensors as few people I have met in the aquatic hobby really bother to follow a proper cleaning and calibrating regime say every month on the current range of sensor let alone something a bit more esoteric like ion specific.
regards Jez
Hi
There is lots of good things scheduled for 2008 but as far as I am aware the calcium and nitrate technology is still not rugged or cheap enough to work in the hostile low maintenance environment that is the average reef tank. Technology is under constant review so as sensors continue to improve I am sure Aquatronica will continue to evaluate and develop.
I personally think this will elude the hobby for a while longer as we want what does not exist. I sometimes think that a less rugged non constant immersion range of ion sensors is the more pragmatic short term answer. It use would go like this.
1. Remove storage cap from sensor
2. Immerse sensor allow to settle
3. Aquatronica takes a short series of readings does a bit of maths and stores the result with date time code etc.
4. User cleans sensor refits cap
With the right program and say Balling method and a doser if the aquarium had lost xxx ppm this week the tronica could calculate the needed dosage for the coming week.
But this approach is by most considered a kludge so we are unlikely to see it adopted.
Just so you are aware this is my opinion on the situation not one stated by Aquatronica, even though we represent them in the UK.
I also wonder in the real world how many people would bother with constant immersion sensors as few people I have met in the aquatic hobby really bother to follow a proper cleaning and calibrating regime say every month on the current range of sensor let alone something a bit more esoteric like ion specific.
regards Jez
Jez,
I spoke to you in person about this very subject no long ago and mentioned about the probes being a pop in the tank and take reading instead of us useing out test kits, if you ever get asked about peoples views i for one would be intrested if this was a direction that was taken for now.
:thanks:
Thanks Jez for honest reply, looks like we just going to have to wait a bit longer.
I won't bug you at least for another year now :laugh:
I am not sure whether the non constant immersion method would be much of a benefit. It will probably be just as quick to do a calcium test.
Thanks again for the response.
Have to agree I'd rather wait for the real deal after all this time!
Cheers, Shelton.
Hi
There is lots of good things scheduled for 2008 ...
Jez, tell us more
Regards
Mark
reefingbuddha
18-03-08, 05:59
I would like a probe to drop in and take out. Could do it on a tray and just dip and cap twice a week. I think automating it could be fairly easy using a small pump and a spray down system. Maybe we can convince aquatronica to let us test some probes for them in a real aquarium environment?
Yeah we're not that lucky....
Hi
Its a nice idea but I seem to remember Aquatronica guys have there own and company reef tanks to play with but hey will pass it on.... :D
The idea of a Nitrate Probe that you can just pop into your system and get a snap shot reading is not a bad idea while we wait for one that can stay in your system all the time.
Has been mentioned before i might add.
It will then take away the need to have test kits for this situation.
:)
funkyparott
04-05-09, 15:55
The last post on this is a year old.
Is there anyupdate on the probes for Aquatronica?
yep i would like to know to please..
Hi
I had a meeting wednesday with the senior engineer on the Aquatronica, he would love to have ion specific probes running and to be quite honest it is a minor job getting them to work with the Tronica, the main drawback is the natuure of the probes, not being able to stand constant immersion. The development to achieve this seems to move at a snails pace and to be quite honest. After lots of years of experimenting I still do not expect to see one available soon unless there is a major break through in sensor technology.
I know the Aquatronica engineers want one on there personal aquariums but the tech is still running behind the will.
regards jez
ohhhh well nevermind..thanks jez..
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