View Full Version : Acalycigorgia sp. and Anthogorgia sp.
Has anyone had any sucesses with these species?
I'm having trouble with mine..I can barely get a feeding response out of them..
I don't have either spp but have had other non-photo gorgonians. What do you feed? I find the one food almost guaranteed to induce a feeding response is Cyclopeeze, even for those whose polyps are too small to actually take it. Have you tried the FM food specially formulated for gorgonians?
Clive, still very early days but I'm getting a good feeding response from Diodogorgias and Swiftas but I'm struggling with the Acalycigorgia/Anthogorgias. I can see the Diodogrogias and Swiftas actively capturing and eating...but nowt from the other
I am using a mix of Fauna Marin foods - currently using a mix of MinF, UltraClam, a small amount of cyclopeeze and MinS. I'm getting the best response from the Diodogorgia and Swifta with MinF but not much from the Acalycigorgia/Anthogorgias. Their polyps are smaller than the Swifta etc, so probably less able to catch particles as large as cyclopeeze or MinF.
What Non-photosynthetic gorgs have you had sucess with?
My Acalycigorgia (I think) wasted away. Was gutted - it was such a gorgeous blue colour. Like you, couldn't see it feed, though polyps were often extended.
You could try Golden Pearls from CoralCulture maybe - it's much finer, almost a powder.
Hmm, Keith, I doubt I will have any sucess if you're not. I can't seem to find any references where people have had sucesses with this coral..even from the Germans! :(
Clive, still very early days but I'm getting a good feeding response from Diodogorgias and Swiftas but I'm struggling with the Acalycigorgia/Anthogorgias. I can see the Diodogrogias and Swiftas actively capturing and eating...but nowt from the other
I am using a mix of Fauna Marin foods - currently using a mix of MinF, UltraClam, a small amount of cyclopeeze and MinS. I'm getting the best response from the Diodogorgia and Swifta with MinF but not much from the Acalycigorgia/Anthogorgias. Their polyps are smaller than the Swifta etc, so probably less able to catch particles as large as cyclopeeze or MinF.
What Non-photosynthetic gorgs have you had sucess with?
Perhaps "success" is the wrong word, as I can only talk about the ones which have survived longest. Predictably, the larger-polyp ones seem to have the best survival rate - a couple of species of Diodogorgia in my case.
Suffice it to say that I'll now only buy photosynthetic species.
how about feeding frozen rotifers to them ? or will the particle size be to big ?
I've just had an few emails with a German reefer Jens Kallmeyer, who has kept many non-photosynthetic species (inc. dendros, sclerons and various gorgs) - unfortunately he has also experienced the same as Keith (Jacksok) and I. He gets next to no feeding response from Acalycigorgia or Anthogorgia...and no one has the slightest clue what they eat..
rich_tilbury
30-08-07, 22:53
I'm in NW10 and seem to also be into gorgonia.
Coral Magazine has an issue on Gorgonia, which is an interesting read, but very general tbh. Not much has been done on gorgonia. Dr Ron Skimek is testing velocity and feeding ability at the moment, results due out later this year, but his test animals are Diodogorgias I believe).
I am having some success with mine (Diodogorgias and one other fan-like gorgonia) on a mix of cyclopeze, golden pearls and coral frenzy (and phyto for luck), plus fish leftovers. Gamma do frozen rotifers if it helps. I also have my tank on tidal rather than random flow, so there is a constant flow in one direction for six hours and then it swaps. That may help as non-photosynthetic gorgonia like a constant flow, but without a control tank to compare it is just a hunch rather than certainty.
Not sure what to suggest, but I know the species you mention as a problem are considered difficult!
Nice to hear theres' someone nearby with the same interests!
The Gorgonian Coral Magazine issue is a great read, but like you say, info is quite general. The best reference material i've found so far is the Soft Corals and Sea Fans by Frabricius and Alderslade (very good for ID'ing)
Whilst flow is important for seafans in general, discussions with some German keepers all say food is more important!
How long have you had your Seafans for? Have you tried using any of the Fauna Marin foods? I'm getting a good response from the Diodogorgias with a mix of UltraminF and UltraminS.
how about feeding frozen rotifers to them ? or will the particle size be to big ?
Problem is we don't know!
That said, we are in a much better position than we used to be in just a few years ago, with fairly readily available sources of phyto, rotifers etc.
But hopefully through experimentation and perseverance we will eventually get there. Our current success with SPS is the culmination of a lot of work (and suffering) by hobbyists. With luck the work of hobbyists will eventually bring the same levels of success to the care of non-phytosynthetic corals. But its going to take time. These are interesting times...
Keith
Jens Kallmeyer
07-01-08, 09:25
HI
hello everybody, Keith invited me into this forum, sounds all pretty interesting.
The trouble with Anthogorgia and Acalycigorgia is not the size of the food, the polyps are large enough to even hold adult artemia. IMO the problem is the type of food that we can offer them. It either does not feel or taste right, these guys simply don't react to what we can offer them, no matter how fine or coarse it is. There is one guy here in Germany, he has some success with a blue Acalycigorgia, it even shows some growth, a few mm in a year. AFAIK his tank is running on a large Miracle Mud filter with no skimmer. Other than that I don't have any further informations.
Best wishes
Jens
Hi Jens,
Welcome to UR! Glad you've finally made it over here..if you didn't, I would have kept pestering you until you did!! :P
Look forward to more input from you on all things azoox and reefy! There are not many dedicated azoo forums on english speaking boards so I hope together we can make this a really useful source of info.
Guys, Jens has been one of my best sources of info and a all round top bloke! What he knows, is worth listening to :D
rich_tilbury
07-01-08, 11:16
Welcome Jens! :)
Welcome aboard Jens
Certainly interested in your views...
Cheers, Shelton.
Hi
Is there feeding related to depth and temperature just wonder as the water most be a lot colder for some of these seafans. Do normal reef tanks at 25-29 affect them.
regards Jez
C. Schuhmacher
08-01-08, 23:04
HI
The water must be colder thats right and wa very very clean water
we feed them also to the Ultra Seafan Cyclop eeze frozen and mixed it with ultrapac coral mucus
Alo they like when the water current is strong
Greets
Schuhmacher how long have they been in your system and how much growth have they shown?
Any update about keeping Acalycigorgia-Anthogorgia?
video
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkQpzl4yh8
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr299/Grolux/Aquari/27-12-08002.jpg
Gracias a Santi, ya esta metida en mi acuario :platanito:, sin un solo arañazo, ni pérdida aparente de tejido y con un tamaño ideal para el No Gro Lux (http://www.e-coralia.net/panel/showthread.php?t=10239&highlight=Gro).
Si, que ya se que es un bicho imposible, que su alimetación es delicada o mejor dicho desconocida, etc... etc... etc..., pero a mi me da que algo sacaremos entre todos :ok:
A ver si consigo algo de tiempo y le voy dado un seguimiento a este tema y os voy informando puntualmente :D.
Empezamos con:
30 ml de Coral food de Salifert
1 ampolla de Reef Booster
2 mg de easy reefs
1 cucharada de 1,25 ml, colmada, de Ultra Clam
2 cucharadas de 1,25 ml, colmadas, de Cyclop Eeze
Y unos 3 o 5 ml de agua salada (1024)
En total 42 ml de potingue rapidito con lo que tenía, que será repartido en 7 dosis de 6 ml diarios.
Y esta es al lista de la compra para su futuro papeo.
Ultra Clam
Ultra Min F
Ultra Pac
Coral food de Salifert
Reef Booster
Easy reefs
Cyclop Eeze
Reef Roiis
Y los nuevos
Ultra Min D
Ultra Sea Fan
Hoy añadiré roti congelado al potingue :ok:
Se aceptan todo tipo de enlaces sobre su alimenación y todo tipo de experiencias sobre siu mantenimiento:ok:
Detalle de las cuevas de doom
http://lh5.ggpht.com/fpvigo/SO4y3aHRGuI/AAAAAAAAAVc/HaAX-8w_u2g/s800/winterDSCF9565.jpg
Cosas azules que hay por ahí
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http://lh5.ggpht.com/fpvigo/SO4y3zoLZdI/AAAAAAAAAVs/q53-p_dP1t0/s800/winterDSCF9577.jpg
since 28th february 2008
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las gorgonias las alimento individualmente con jeringa y sin bombas.
Lo que les doy es 50ml diarios de Rotífero "verde" (alimentado 1 hora antes) + copepodos + anfipodos + fitoplacton (variando soluciones vivas isochrysis+nanno y / comerciales a base de Isocrysis y Pavlova / liofilizado) y cyclopeeze. Todo esto mezclado, no agitado ;) (es broma, va todo al mismo bote, pero sin batidoras)
Hay gorgonias, como la melithea por ejemplo, que reaccionan enseguida al fito. Ademas con uno sencillo de encontrar, que es la espirulina. Tengo esquejes de todas fuera del acuario para ir probando diferentes alimentos con ellos y observar reacciones.
Semanalmente meto también algo de MBF Lobster Eggs congelado (esto lo pido a UK así que no siempre lo tengo). También aprovecho huevos de cangrejo, el "plankton rojo" congelado del Marine Quintet, etc.
<<Esto aparte de la alimentación de los peces, que las gorgonias aprovechan también, siempre cazan alguna cabeza de mysis, krill etc>>
Un saludo.
Good night. First of all, sorry my English, is coming to pull translator, so I can forgive my mistakes in grammar :o.
Like to thank Alcoy limited by the information it has collected from various sites on the maintenance of Acalycigorgia:thumbsup:.
Currently stand without major problems Tubastreas (micrantha and aurea), Actinia equina, Nephthyigorgia sp, Leptogorgia sp, Acabaria and now I begin to Anthogorgia sp.
All within a box of 50cm x 40cm x 40cm, connected to a system with a total of 400 liters.
I hope to have much luck with the Anthogorgia sp with the Acabaria, which was quickly noticed an amazing regeneration of tissue, based on a slurry made by:
Ultra Min S: 6 ml
Ultra Clam: 1.25 ml
Cyclop Eeze: 10 ml
Reef Roids: 10 ml
Boster Reef: 1 BOTTLE
Easy Reef: 1 mg
Water 1024: Between 20 and 30 ml
All well mixed until a mixture of about 42 ml, 7 delivery syringes, one per day.
The way is always to feed at night and is dosificiación directly to goronias with the whole system off.
Shortly begin a new formulation of the burn would like more help as much better, with the aim of improving the existing and especially to maintain as well as the Acabaria andalusia Anthogorgia sp.
We remain in contact.
:thanks:
Wellcome to UR.
welcome aboard Grolux.
Julian Sprung said us in Barcelona (summer 2007), he does not know any succes in the world with Anthogorgia-Acanthogorgia-Acalycigorgia...
fortunately here is Marcus Nitzsche from Germany who has an Acalycigorgia since more 2.5 years ago... :worship:
UltimateReef is a good place for sharing international information...
and I hope you can share information with all the people here...
People from Germany, UK, Holland, Polland, USA, Canada, Mexico, Spain...
Good luck with Anthogorgia...
Grolux, Welcome to UR!
How long have you had your Anthogorgia?
Hello Keith :)
Anthogorgia bought the last 27-12-08 :D
Gorgonia that keep the longest is the end. This acquired in February 2008 and suffered a major recession in tissue, not as it should feed it :annoyed:, luckily I have already achieved a significant recovery
Day 3-11-2008
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/549/acabaria1dy7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Day 23-11-2008
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4865/acabaria2fd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
To see if this morning you hang a video of the new food that I prepared :wave:
Changes in Acanthogorgia :dance:.
Tonight, just after taking the new preparation of food, has begun to extend their polyps, like taking out some filaments :shocking:.
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr299/Grolux/Aquari/05-01-09004.jpg
Fantastic shots! Its great to see the the purple seafan recovering nicely. Do you have any close up shots? It looks more like an Echinogorgia sp.
JMANCANADIAN
06-01-09, 04:44
Hello,
My name is Josh and I live in Ontario, Canada. I just recently joined UltimateReef after I came across this thread. I have found it very interesting and encouraging. I have just acquired a Blueberry Gorgonia and have been very discouraged looking through North American forums on this subject. It seems that nobody has had success with these beautiful gorgonias.
Grolux I am going to try your recipe as I have recently purchased some Fauna Marin and am starting to experiment with mixtures. I will follow this thread closely, thanks to everyone here.
Josh
Fantastic shots! Its great to see the the purple seafan recovering nicely. Do you have any close up shots? It looks more like an Echinogorgia sp.
You mean this?
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr299/Grolux/31-08-08036.jpg
Yup - looks like this: http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showthread.php?t=239708
beautiful coral and you're doing a great job healing that coral ;)
Hello,
My name is Josh and I live in Ontario, Canada. I just recently joined UltimateReef after I came across this thread. I have found it very interesting and encouraging. I have just acquired a Blueberry Gorgonia and have been very discouraged looking through North American forums on this subject. It seems that nobody has had success with these beautiful gorgonias.
Grolux I am going to try your recipe as I have recently purchased some Fauna Marin and am starting to experiment with mixtures. I will follow this thread closely, thanks to everyone here.
Josh
Welcome to UR Josh :)
Feel free to start a new thread - I look forward to hearing more about you Azooxs!
Acanthogorgia corals kind fed at flow between 5-10 cm/sg
Optimal feeding flow is 7-8 cm/sg.
http://www.sinica.edu.tw/zool/zoolstud/41.4/355.pdf
Originally posted by Alcoy in another thread. I have quoted it here as its very relevant.
Perhaps high flow rates is the key to this coral
Hello! New to UltimateReef and very happy I found this thread. I've been looking for help with Gorgs ever since my first Gorgonian crumbled away due to starvation. I swore I wouldn't get another until I knew how to keep them alive. Then my girlfriend ran out and bought one for me, a Yellow Finger Gorgonia. So now I've been desperate to learn how to keep it alive. I've ordered the food recommended here to help my new tank member, but I've also had a different and interesting experience that may be useful.
I brought a brain coral back from near-death through target feeding with a container. I placed a pint-sized plastic soup container (from the local Chinese restaurant) around the brain and squirted food into it, directly onto the brain. This way the brain had food directly on it, not pushed away by flow or fish. An occasional skirt (with tank water) into the container would stir up any food that didn't land on the brain originally, allowing it to feed some more.
I thought to do the same with the Gorgonian. I'd had the Gorg for 3 weeks before trying this, and after the first week I hadn't seen the polyps come out at all. I checked day and night but not a single white polyp came out to feed. It was like it was preparing itself for starvation.
Since I started used the container to feed it, the polyps have been coming out regularly, all throughout the day. Now that the polyps keep coming out, I feed it with the container once a week, and squirt my general tank feeding at it the rest of the time.
Now an interesting thought came to me from this experience and the article KeithM posted. Looking at the feeding trough they used in the study, it occurred to me that an issue with feeding could be the Gorgonia's ability to capture the food. That feeding trough basically keeps the food flowing past the Gorgonia. Anything missed the first time around circles and comes right back at it. Perhaps its not only flow, but also having to assist the Gorgonian in capturing food affectively. By "smothering" it with food, we allow it to get enough to eat. In an enclosed system, this would mean isolating it to feed (in my case with a container).
Just a thought. It's only been a few weeks with my new Gorgonia, so this may not really be helping, but I'll keep watching and updating.
luckyluke1977
10-07-09, 20:08
hi i m new here
and pls forgive my bad english
but i have also an anthogorgia, i think, picture below
now that interesting thing is the dealer who told me that ( online shop ) told me i should use DTS plankton to feed her ( or i suppose to feed the zooplankton so that it becomes more delicous)
and pico food
he has this anthogorgia since 1 year in his private reef he told me
now my question
on the picture, dunno if i m able to post it , is sth kind of a leaf growing on the top, i m sure it is the gorgonia that lets it grow but what does it mean
i can see that on the one hand the polyps became in the month i have that coral smaller but on the other hand there are some thin yellow green i think new branches
well this reminds me to a coral, not a gorgonia dunno the english name ,i gave her to much food mysis and so on and the polyps first grew and then they disappeard cause the did not open i think the coral was full and then the plant tissue grew over the polyps
so i think i dozed too much pico food
another thing that makes me think that is, that the polyps are just a little bit open so that they drink the food instead of catching plankton
well i ll first doze just little pico food
hmm may be stoping to doze it for a week or 2
wanna see the polyps
another thing is that the polyps where the stremaing is faster this polyps are a little bigger but just a little
hmm now to my big question when the gorgonia makes such a thing grow
on its top is it a good sign ? hope the picture is not to big other wise look here
http://lucas.donocik.eu/anthogorgia
http://lucas.donocik.eu/anthogorgia/blatt.JPG
well i put the following things into the water
dts plankton double dozing
picofood normal dozing but now minimal dozing 1ml per day...
timo food competition normal dozing
aktiv trace (biosonal) normal dozing
phyton zooton (tropic marin) dozing a lot of
i suppose thats why i have the red algae
thats all
hmm so what do you think what is it the leaf ??
could it be that the coral reproduces this way ?
this would be a good sign or not ?
or is it a white flag like I CAPITULATE hmm
maybe if you dont know what to try to make the anthogorgia live try out dts plankton and a little bit picofood , pico food is new and worth to try it out i think
thanks for reading this and good luck for your gorgonias
luke
PS: did somebody tried out a phyotplankton reactor with or without succes ? to give lot of phytoplankton to the water so that the zooplankton will become more nutrient ? this is my next step hmm damn wanna make the coral live and grow .... argh
hey guys, long time lurker and just thought i'd share my thoughts on subject if it is of any help to anyone...
To be fair there is nothing i have to suggest anything i say will work as i did have Acalycigorgia several years ago which didn't survive. Loved the species though but swore not to buy another until i could find enough information on successful keeping to justify a re-attempt. Have kept and eye on net though to watch for successes - to be fair i haven't seen much info on successful, longterm keeping yet though.
What i have read seems to suggest very regular feedings and strong laminar flow...
A few thoughts i've had (mostly from wild biotopes etc) which i'd be interested to get some feedback on are:
- Should be placed horizontally rather than vertically as this is how they grow in wild
- Reasonably deep water species - perhaps lower temperatures
- grows on deep water reef faces - flow directed towards reef wall?
- Plank types from wild would be interesting to ID. Was wondering if they take advantage of plankto's rising from deeper waters in mornings etc??
- Lower light environment and VERY clean water?
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