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C. Schuhmacher
22-09-07, 22:36
SPS-Aminoacid Special-Mix
Fauna Marin enters a new era in the provision of SPS-corals with essential amino-acids and amino-acid precursors. The unique composition of Ultra Amin is in line with the special requirements of intensively colored Acropora and Pocillopora corals to drastically enhance both coral colouration and polyp extension. Long-lasting experiments finally allowed for the finding of the unique mixture of amino-acids and amino-acid derivates in Ultra Amin which is immediately taken-up and processed by the SPS-corals on the one hand, but do not work in darkening the coral tissue on the other hand. This mixture cant be copied. Convince yourself of the drastical boost in SPS-coral colours!
http://www.faunamarin.de/galerie/bilder/amin.jpg
SPS-Aminoacid Special-Mix
Fauna Marin enters a new era in the provision of SPS-corals with essential amino-acids and amino-acid precursors. The unique composition of Ultra Amin is in line with the special requirements of intensively colored Acropora and Pocillopora corals to drastically enhance both coral colouration and polyp extension. Long-lasting experiments finally allowed for the finding of the unique mixture of amino-acids and amino-acid derivates in Ultra Amin which is immediately taken-up and processed by the SPS-corals on the one hand, but do not work in darkening the coral tissue on the other hand. This mixture can’t be copied. Convince yourself of the drastical boost in SPS-coral colours!
http://www.faunamarin.de/galerie/bilder/amin.jpg
Claude,
When will it hit the shelfs :)
Shame customs emptied the 2 bottles out Claude;)
sounds interesting, does it have to be used in conjunction with any other method or can it be used by regular sps keepers employing the berlin method?
SPS-Aminoacid Special-Mix
Fauna Marin enters a new era in the provision of SPS-corals with essential amino-acids and amino-acid precursors. The unique composition of Ultra Amin is in line with the special requirements of intensively colored Acropora and Pocillopora corals to drastically enhance both coral colouration and polyp extension. Long-lasting experiments finally allowed for the finding of the unique mixture of amino-acids and amino-acid derivates in Ultra Amin which is immediately taken-up and processed by the SPS-corals on the one hand, but do not work in darkening the coral tissue on the other hand. This mixture can’t be copied. Convince yourself of the drastical boost in SPS-coral colours!
Good bit of pseudo science here i.e. "amino-acid precursors" aren't these aldehydes?
Also are amino acids a food or a chemical supplement? sure they trigger the feeding response in corals but I'm not sure they are a true food lacking other key nutritional groups such as carbohydrates, lipids, vitamins etc.
As for "this mixture can't be copied" send me a bottle and after a hour or so on my institutes' CG-MS I'll tell you exactly what's in and and I bet i could make an identical copy, that is unless their quality control is so poor they don't know what's in it themselves :)
C. Schuhmacher
23-09-07, 21:38
HI Wombat
Your are right when you said that all can be copied but we want to say with that words that no other company works with such mixtures.
You can check it but you know also like me that it is very difficult to search
so a lot f different things in one solution
Iám sure that you need more then an hour ;-)
The Aminoacids are part of the food we use also some carbonsources.
and organic trace elements
Greets Claude
The Aminoacids are part of the food we use also some carbonsources.
and organic trace elements
Greets Claude
Hi Claude
Sorry I can't resit
go on if it contains "some carbon sources" then it isn't just "unique mixture of amino-acids and amino-acid derivatives" then.
But isn't this just an Alanine solution to trigger polyp extension and feeding response?
Can I ask what is an "organic trace element" as far as I know a trace element is one of the elements from the periodic table just in small amounts thus non of them can be organic (either from the chemistry of carbon point of view or their source)
Well i suppose it may take 2 hours with a GC-MS and hour to prepare the sample and an hour to run it ;)
Am watching this post with interest. To be fair, I do use quite a few of the FM products mainly because I have a few dendros. However, with Wombat's queries on this one I am hoping to get some clear indicators from Calude before I rush to buy yet another FM product. I find the fish also going mad after the UltraMin F and UltraClam.
Am watching this post with interest. To be fair, I do use quite a few of the FM products mainly because I have a few dendros. However, with Wombat's queries on this one I am hoping to get some clear indicators from Calude before I rush to buy yet another FM product. I find the fish also going mad after the UltraMin F and UltraClam.
TBH, I now take a more pragmatic view over a lot of reef products, especially the FM products.
As you've probably seen with FMs dendro products, they're beyond testing with conventional hobby kits...its more about trying them out and seeing if they work for your corals/tank. use cautiously...more one for the advanced aquarist running very low nutrient systems :)
Sometimes its less about the exact science than knowing how to reef (or cook..as claude puts it!) ;)
C. Schuhmacher
24-09-07, 21:20
Hi Wombat
I want really like to discuss with you about the products but i had really problems to write this in english language
My english isnīt so good that i can discus with you on that point
I will be back in some weeks in UK to a talk
maybe there we can talk more in details.
Or we talk in german :-)
Be sure that it isnīt not only alanin :-)
Greets Claude
Hi Wombat
I want really like to discuss with you about the products but i had really problems to write this in english language
My english isnīt so good that i can discus with you on that point
I will be back in some weeks in UK to a talk
maybe there we can talk more in details.
Or we talk in german :-)
Be sure that it isnīt not only alanin :-)
Greets Claude
Claude,
Do not worry most if not all users on here wish our german was half as good as your english.
:applause:
I am getting a bit lost with the product range now.
How does this differ from UltraMinS?
Is it to compliment the dosing of UltraBak and MinS or is it a subsitute?
Dave
Well i suppose it may take 2 hours with a GC-MS and hour to prepare the sample and an hour to run it ;)
Yeah by the way GS is Gas Chromatography and MS is a Mass Spectrometer :)
Its the only thing I learned from doing a degree in Genteics and Biochemistry as I was pissed most of the time :D
I am getting a bit lost with the product range now.
How does this differ from UltraMinS?
Is it to compliment the dosing of UltraBak and MinS or is it a subsitute?
Dave
think of it as a food to target SPS specifically, ultraminS is more of a general amino acid suppliment to target corals in general
C. Schuhmacher
29-09-07, 22:48
HI
If you have to low nutrition than you cannot take more Bak or Ultramin S cause both products make the nutrition down.
The SPS food boost more the colors and the growth
without make the corals brown
In Ultramin S is a lot of trace elements if you overdorse them
the corals will get more brownish colors
Greets Claude
Thanks, sounds like it's worth a trial.
Dave
When will this product be available in the UK.
I am just about to start to go down th ULNS route. Is the the UltraAmin to be used instead of the UltraMin S for as SPS only tank ?
rgds,
Anthony
When will this product be available in the UK.
I am just about to start to go down th ULNS route. Is the the UltraAmin to be used instead of the UltraMin S for as SPS only tank ?
rgds,
Anthony
When i spoke to Claude last week he said it was just being bottled so soon really soon.
:thumbsup:
Ok it's been a few weeks now so maybe people are clearer about the use of UltraAmin.
I have some questions:
1) Is it now available in the UK ?
2) Has anyone out there used it and if so what is your initial reaction ?
3) Is this product to be used instead of or as well as Ultra Mins ?
4) Is it in fact a polyp stimulator AND food ?
any thoughts appreciated,
Anthony
Ok it's been a few weeks now so maybe people are clearer about the use of UltraAmin.
I have some questions:
1) Is it now available in the UK ?
2) Has anyone out there used it and if so what is your initial reaction ?
3) Is this product to be used instead of or as well as Ultra Mins ?
4) Is it in fact a polyp stimulator AND food ?
any thoughts appreciated,
Anthony
Still waiting for it to touch down on these shores i am afraid so i can not help, sorry, looking forward to it though :thumbsup:
3) Is this product to be used instead of or as well as Ultra Mins ?
Anthony
Ultra AMIN is not a substitute for UltraminS. They should be used together.
Ultra AMIN is a coral 'food' for very low nutrient systems where you have reached the limits of Ultrabak and UltraminS.
Ultra AMIN is not a substitute for UltraminS. They should be used together.
Ultra AMIN is a coral 'food' for very low nutrient systems where you have reached the limits of Ultrabak and UltraminS.
Errr....I thought Ultra MinS was coral food for very low nutrient systems.
Bloody hell FM need to get their act together and start making it easier for people to understand what their products do and how to use them otherwise people WILL eventually lose patience and go elsewhere !!
rgds,
Ant
Errr....I thought Ultra MinS was coral food for very low nutrient systems.
Bloody hell FM need to get their act together and start making it easier for people to understand what their products do and how to use them otherwise people WILL evenyually lose patience and go elsewhere !!
rgds,
Ant
There is a new guide being translated by Dr. Jens Kallmeyer. It should be out very shortly!!..within a week or so
There is a new guide being translated by Dr. Jens Kallmeyer. It should be out very shortly!!..within a week or so
Whoopee :applause: :thumbsup:
Don't get me wrong.I understand the concepts behind the FM system and am currently dosing BIO an BAK. My system is fairly new and I've started the FM system early. In the last few days I have seen PE on my SPS's like I've never seen before and so started to think about adding food. I was going to get some MinS but then wondered if Amin would be better. All I can seem to get is that it is aimed at SPS's rather than corals in general. If that's the case then as I am only concerned with feeding my SPS's why would I dose both MinS and Amin ? There are very confusing signals coming from the FM camp and I just was some clarity.
rgds,
Ant
Go with UltraMinS... Get the grips with the basic 4 first. Ultralith, Bio, Bak, MinS
AMIN is for systems that have reached very low levels and can't use more MinS because either nutrients will drop too low or corals will go brown as a results of an over dose of MinS (too many trace elements). Where you have reached these levels and still require an extra tweak to get better colours and grow from your corals, you can use AMIN.
MinS is not just a coral food. It contains amino acids (food), trace elements and a small amout of carbon so it is also benefical for bacteria.
Go with UltraMinS... Get the grips with the basic 4 first. Ultralith, Bio, Bak, MinS
AMIN is for systems that have reached very low levels and can't use more MinS because either nutrients will drop too low or corals will go brown as a results of an over dose of MinS (too many trace elements). Where you have reached these levels and still require an extra tweak to get better colours and grow from your corals, you can use AMIN.
MinS is not just a coral food. It contains amino acids (food), trace elements and a small amout of carbon so it is also benefical for bacteria.
Ok thanks for that although I have to say Ithought that Amin contained those things you say MinS contains........as I said a tad confusing
I will go with the Mins for now.
rgds,
Ant
Ok thanks for that although I have to say Ithought that Amin contained those things you say MinS contains........as I said a tad confusing
I will go with the Mins for now.
rgds,
Ant
There are lots of different types of amino acids, trace elements, carbon sources etc.
The 'Blends' within AMIN and MinS are different :)
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