Trace Elements

[C. Schuhmacher]

Hi Guys

I see that in Ultimate reef not many persons discuss over Trace Elements
Didn´t you use them or nobod is interesting in this products ?
Many greetings Claude

[jobr]

Hi Claude

I add Grotech A, B and C via a dosing pump and i also add the FM balling trace elements to new mixes of my balling solutions.

[hihat]

I use the Fauna Marin Ultra Power Trace 1-4.

Jim

[Nikolai]

Used to use grotech A,B,C am now looking at others and AA's

[C. Schuhmacher]

HI

No :-D i dont want to know what you use
i only see that we have much more discussion about trace elements in germany
greets Claude

[Dami]

there aren't as many discussions here on trace elements, because the general trend in england is towards 'water changes', maintaining cal, dkh, and phospates.
the methods of reef keeping are the same (approx) worldwide, however there is a huge difference in the attitude of aquarists and their interest of things, the aproach they take.
there are some people who use trace elements, however even fewer actually even understand the concept.

unfortunatly like so many english my german is terrible! so i am unable to research these topics from your forums :(

[Dami]

perhaps you could start a thread and offer input so others may learn?! :wave:

[chrisj_]

I think the trace elements are so hard or impossible to measure (or are so numerous as to test for them all would be a bind or very expensive) that many fall back on the ethos of if you can't test for it don't add it. Added to this is the unknown factor of are you overdosing and is this causing more harm than good.

I agree that it's only through discussion that people learn more and perhaps my views are from not reading enough discussion on this topic. I'm simply trying to convey what the general thought trend to this subject is on UR. I too would like to hear more discussion on this topic as pointed out it seems a little thin on the ground at the moment.

Chris :)

[G man]

Thought I'd bump this thread to see if anyone else has a view on this?

Is the case that in Germany they do less water changes, but add trace elements?

[C. Schuhmacher]

Hi

No we did not make less water changes
10 % weekly is normal.

We use the Trace elements to increase grow and coloration of the corals
In fully stocked tanks or Zeo Tanks you cannot work witout them
Greets claude

[muzzy]

We use the Trace elements to increase grow and coloration of the corals
In fully stocked tanks or Zeo Tanks you cannot work witout them
Greets claude

thas a bold statement!

again, if you cant test for it, why add it?
too much placebo already in this hobby

[C. Schuhmacher]

Hi Muzzy

No idea ? or why you come with such stupid statements
after copied my products.

Maybe you try to understand the system of coral coloration and coral growing
Enzyme production and bacterial growing , then you will understand
why we add Trace elements in the tank.

Not all things can be measured in our human food or did you check your daily vitamin dosing ;-)

Greets Claude

[muzzy]

Im stupid, yes,

so, you are saying we should add anything you tell us to, regardless of whether we can test for it.
nothing to do with profits of course.

i dont take vitamins, i eat a healthy balanced diet, which is essentially what we should be giving our tanks in the way of regular water changes with good quality salt.

as for copying your products, LMAO, did you invent magnesium chloride etc??

at least i didnt copy the prices ;)

[C. Schuhmacher]

Muzzy

What you think you add with your sea salt , why you did not use only
sodiumchlorid for your reef tank?

I did not say you are stupid so please did not add words in my writings which i did not say !!! :wave::wave:

Iam sure that the most company like we make a lot of mistakes to buy and add expensiv trace Elements in our products and sea salts...;);););)

No i did not developted salts but in developted a new system and bring it to the market. You can sell cheap salts but i can promise you they are not the same like we use

1. did you have the right produced salts or you use only Food grade stuff produded by SolvayProcess ? i m sure you do

2. How you want to stabilize the system ? with your salts you will lost
the chemical stability after a few weeks your Ph swing will be bigger and bigger...
But iám sure you have enough experience to know exactly how to mix the salts on a correct way.
and use the salts since more then 20 years in hundreds of different tanks like we do.

Also you will see how the systems will be developed in the next weeks an days

Greets Claude

[muzzy]

sorry, no idea what you are talking about, im stupid

[jez]

Just to answer your question Muz

Why do you add what you cannot test for well my answer is the same as yours.

Because you cannot test for it. As the range of testing options are limited and in many occasions even the most advanced ICP tests have difficulty getting the same results three times in a row.

So the reason for working with Trace elements is to see if there use has a positive effect on the animals.

A always you seem to think keeping corals is black and white and can be measured by salifert test kit where as the one thing that experience has taught me is that this is a broad church and many paths lead to Nirvana. I have seen tanks that have come alive when dosed with say iodine on a regular basis, others including mine for which iodine had little effect.

Once reefkeepers get beyond the basics you soon realise that different systems have different requirements. Systems with growth rates close to natural levels make tremendous demands on calcification. If you think that corals calcifying at 10kg per annum need that much calcium to build their skeletons it is pretty basic biology to presume that they will also need other elements and amino acids to achieve that growth.

As always YMMV

Jez

[happy hammer]

Im dosing the balling light but have not used the ultra b trace elements. Now my system has more sps would i see any improvment in growth and colour adding this.

Many thanks

Michael

[Dami]

In short.... Yes.

The trace elements are really essential in populated reef tanks.
Various algaes, both filamental and calcareous consume elements like iodine and strontium as well as calcium.
Sps such as montipora may cease to extend polyps with deficiences in iodine.
Iodine and flourine as a trace b solution will help accelerate growth and produce distictive blues in colours, the other bottles contribute greatly towards yellows and greens and cater for the red pigments.
The trace B solutions are made with upto date informations regarding the consumption of trace elements within the aquarium.
Used as layed out in the manual it is not possible to overdose them when mixed in this manner (ie: into your salt solutions)
Everything gets what it wants when it's applied.

Cheers