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hi there i have now gone through 3 bottles of aip x without any successs at all.
they look to die but come back a month or so later.
all 3 bottles were from the same supplier at an lfs in leyland in lancashire.
i am fairly certain i followed the instructions to the letter.
could this be a bad batch?
i emailed this to red sea and interpet a month ago without any reply at all.
I have just finished a bottle of it and they grow back in about two weeks. My tank is only 24g and i only have about a dozen aiptaisa. My peppermint shrimps are stopping the spread of new ones but i have found boiling water injected into them works very well.
Flibidib02
23-12-08, 15:20
Another for this thread. Just seems to inhibit them for a few weeks then they're back, often stronger. Pretty poor really considering all the hype :(
it looks like its worked for 2 weeks then they just raise up again :mad:
ericbell46
23-12-08, 20:13
I have to agree with the above. Just tonight noticed the aiptasi has come back from the dead (I thought resurrection was Easter, not Xmas:laugh:). However I did some Majano's at the same time and they seem to have stayed dead up to now.
cheers
westiefish
23-12-08, 20:27
The same! it does not work.
Will buy some peppermint shrimps to deal with them, have a couple of big beautys though!
Mark
I have just finished a bottle of it and they grow back in about two weeks. My tank is only 24g and i only have about a dozen aiptaisa. My peppermint shrimps are stopping the spread of new ones but i have found boiling water injected into them works very well.
hi mate did they return with boiling water,i have the same prob with aip x
Steve_bham
23-12-08, 20:52
oh no!!!! i got a bottle of this today, is it worth using it or taking it back?
i just shelled out £10 for a bottle of the stuff.not got so many but i hope it works
westiefish
23-12-08, 22:23
oh no!!!! i got a bottle of this today, is it worth using it or taking it back?
Take it back!
It works but don't forget it is nigh on impossible for you to nuke every single one; if you have them there will nearly always be one lurking where you cannot see.....
3 bottles guys and not a sinle one stayed dead.
i would like to see what the sponser has to say?
Have to agree this is the worst thing I have used!!!! will never buy again,
Same here, they go then reappear very quickly... not impressed, especially as i only had 4 or 5 now i've got quite a lot more!.
same here jules.
is the sponser ever on here?
matt harvey
24-12-08, 19:27
ive had same probs. only thing i found to work is as soon as u see them start to open again cover them with the stuff, seems to do the trick if you catch them at the right time
Same happens for me and I actually took rock out of the tank, nuked them and returned the rock once was sure they were dead to try and avoid them spreading...didn't work
Has anyone tried Joes Juice yet?
don't really want to spend another £8-10 if I'm wasting my money again!
Merry Christmas BYW :thumbsup:
hb aquatics do the nudibranches that eat them, i just cant keep em with my wrasses
Nudibranch
25-12-08, 19:22
Burn them with a hot knife
why does everyone want to get rid of aptasia exactly, are they harmful to corals or is it just cause they dont look great
harmful to corals and spread for fun
hb aquatics do the nudibranches that eat them, i just cant keep em with my wrasses
Hi,
Is hb aquatics a sponsor, if not, could you pm me with their details please?.
Cheers.
Mark :thumbsup:
I don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but the one bottle of Aiptasia-X has seem off forty or so of the buggers I had in my Nano (serves me right for buying cheap second hand LR in the first place).
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
google and there is a few long term ur people on here not getting the results from the aip x, im fairly certain they are capable of following simple instructions as i am.
dont get me wrong each aip dosnt come back on the same time scale as some have taken more than 3 months to reapear.
I tried Joes Juice and worked like this product, for a few weeks and then they are back. Done boiled ro water and a syringe to suck them out. Resorted to a Copperband in one reef and a Seagrass Filefish in the other, needing to spread them just to create more food for these species, although they are also eating brineshrimp so no real problem, no Aiptasia:).
think the worst thing is the rep has been online last on the 28th dec and never bothered to reply to this thread and none of the pms or emails i have sent
sevenfourate
02-01-09, 15:54
Hate to throw it at him - but hes been online today and replied to a Redsea tank enquiry............
None of you guys had replies from him ?
nope its just plain rude as he endorses a product that i have spent nearly £40 on and the stuff does not work.
disgusting.
sevenfourate
02-01-09, 17:41
Ive bought it too.Encouraged new ones to spawn fantastically well.......
My guess is he's either gearing up for a very corporate reply.Or you'll get silence.Again.
his silence doesnt inspire confidence does it?
ThreeFishes
02-01-09, 17:56
I used sodium Hydroxide 40% injected with hyperdermic needle.....don't come back then !!!!! Just have to be really careful with the stuff. Chemical burns etc...
mikeunlinda
02-01-09, 18:03
I have use aiptasia x today for the first time on three large aiptasias, it did the job just fine....really really pleased with it. the little buggers sucked it up and POP !!! bye bye aiptasia.
I have use aiptasia x today for the first time on three large aiptasias, it did the job just fine....really really pleased with it. the little buggers sucked it up and POP !!! bye bye aiptasia.
i hate to dissapoint you they will be back in 2 weeks
yup give it a month at the tops, this stuff is rubbish make em dissapear for a few weeks then new ones appear plus regrowth of the original one!!!
the box says guaranteed, reef-safe elimination of aiptasia - so in this case red sea steve i want my money back or 3 bottles of the stuff that works!!!!!!!!!!!
redseasteve
02-01-09, 18:14
Hi guys, sorry for the delay in replying. I have been waiting for some info back rather than sending a meaningless post. The feedback on Aiptasia-X has been justifiably very positive since we launched, which is why I was surprised to see some less than positive reports from a couple of you on this forum. Aiptasia are notoriously difficult to remove but we have a highly effective, unique solution which has yielded great results generally. We have experienced no drop-off in batch quality since launch, and we take QC very seriously. If any of you would like to PM me with your details and would like to send me the remains of the bottles you have purchased, then we will supply a completely new bottle to you FOC, without prejudice, and I'll send your Aipt-X bottles to our lab for evaluation. I will also then update you with our findings. We are here to help and obviously would not risk our brand name supplying product which does not do what we claim. I hope you agree this is an acceptable way forward. Kind regards, Steve
ta for the late reply steve but i dont have any of my 3 empty bottles so what do i do in this situation as stated i have spent a lot of money on your product with no results so where do i stand?
sevenfourate
02-01-09, 18:20
Same here.
Nice offer but too late for me im afraid.
not wanting to be rude, so im gonna be out of pocket again sending it back,plus the hassle of doing it ,i do understand your trying to be fair regards dave
Steve_bham
02-01-09, 18:23
Hi guys, sorry for the delay in replying. I have been waiting for some info back rather than sending a meaningless post. The feedback on Aiptasia-X has been justifiably very positive since we launched, which is why I was surprised to see some less than positive reports from a couple of you on this forum. Aiptasia are notoriously difficult to remove but we have a highly effective, unique solution which has yielded great results generally. We have experienced no drop-off in batch quality since launch, and we take QC very seriously. If any of you would like to PM me with your details and would like to send me the remains of the bottles you have purchased, then we will supply a completely new bottle to you FOC, without prejudice, and I'll send your Aipt-X bottles to our lab for evaluation. I will also then update you with our findings. We are here to help and obviously would not risk our brand name supplying product which does not do what we claim. I hope you agree this is an acceptable way forward. Kind regards, Steve
I used it on a big Aiptasia, worked great it curled up and vanished, only to reappear a week or so later. Did it exactly to instructions.
pm sent, glad i am not alone with this problem
lawrence cope
02-01-09, 18:34
Your not alone! I got mine when it first came out and while it works wonders on the manjanos i had, with the aip they just shrivelled up then came back with avengence, i would even say they seemed to grow faster after being hit with it the first time!
I will take steve up on the offer though and try a different botle incase it is a dodgy batch! Then i guess i can pass judgement after i have tried a second bottle!
the garden flat
02-01-09, 18:35
was about to buy some today in lfs but didnt they offered me somehting else called somehtin juice??
Didnt take either thought i would ask here first!
im just wondering if covering with miliput would work:annoyed:
Unusual to find a manufacturer who is willing to spend time on consumer forums- so well done Red Sea. I tried Aipt-X and it worked perfectly. I got aipt problems even having dosed because the live rock in my sump was infested with small aipt and they seem to break off and spread. Like other treatments A-X can only treat the apt you actually treat. I eventually treated all the apt and have no more problems. I am usually on one of the USA forums and am passing through and generally it seems people report great results. Horrible little things though so good lck to anyone trying to eradicate them
tbh i have had the same experience with joes juice can they become immune ?
tbh i have had the same experience with joes juice can they become immune ?
not the ones thats been zaped,they shouldnt come back
if you've only got a couple squirt kalkwasser right into them,
if not get a peppermint shrimp or two, worked for me!
was wondering the immunity thing myself begining to think my aips are mutants that like aip x.
have emailed steve now and he is on the case.
im hoping this will be a quick turn around on this problem
not the ones thats been zaped,they shouldnt come back
mine do with loads more tentacles (perhaps wrong decription) it seems like they now have 2 rows of them if that makes sense
redseasteve
02-01-09, 19:18
Rory, let's dispel the "mutant" myth instantly. Aiptasia-X works really well and we are keen to get samples back from any consumers who have used the product and are not getting the results they (and we) expect. Meanwhile we will ourselves try samples of each batch we have produced, in our labs so we can check if there is any efficacy issue. Interpet is out of stock right now and is expecting a delivery in the next 3 weeks, therefore as soon as stock arrives and when I have received samples from people we will send replacements out, irrespective of our own findings.
lol steve the mutant thing was a joke i know there is only 1 type of aip
Nudibranch
02-01-09, 19:28
Burn them instead with hot knife/skewer
Steve_bham
02-01-09, 19:31
Rory, let's dispel the "mutant" myth instantly. Aiptasia-X works really well and we are keen to get samples back from any consumers who have used the product and are not getting the results they (and we) expect. Meanwhile we will ourselves try samples of each batch we have produced, in our labs so we can check if there is any efficacy issue. Interpet is out of stock right now and is expecting a delivery in the next 3 weeks, therefore as soon as stock arrives and when I have received samples from people we will send replacements out, irrespective of our own findings.
PM Sent
johnnyboy11
03-01-09, 10:51
Just thought I'd confirm the Aiptasia-X product didn't work for me either. After about 2 weeks the Aiptasia are back.
I'm going to shut my tank down, the infestation is so bad. Every piece of liverock is carpeted with Apitasia, like grass. Even had one growing on a live snail's shell!
Maybe leaving the liverock outdoors for a few weeks will do the trick, then start cycling all over.
Yep two weeks seems to be the point where they all grow back. People i've spoken to off the forums have had the same experience.
right everyone who has a problem with the product simply pm redseasteve or email him directly on steveh@redseafish.com
redseasteve
03-01-09, 14:58
As Rory has said, if anyone would like to contact me then please go ahead. We will require the bottle back so we can test it ourselves. I checked and we have had 2 batches arrive in the UK. I personally used some of the first batch, as did several retailers so I know that it works. Although we have qc'd every batch, I haven't personally used any of the second batch but will take it to a retailer and try it for myself once someone sends me their bottle. FYI, Interpet is currently out of stock but will be back in stock later this month so there will be a small delay in sending replacement bottles.
Returned for me after a month or so.
westiefish
06-01-09, 11:26
I tried Joes Juice and worked like this product, for a few weeks and then they are back. Done boiled ro water and a syringe to suck them out. Resorted to a Copperband in one reef and a Seagrass Filefish in the other, needing to spread them just to create more food for these species, although they are also eating brineshrimp so no real problem, no Aiptasia:).
The same as everyone else, does not work and they seem to spread!
Dibs, i see you introduced a seagrass filefish and copper band, are they reef safe?
Thanks Mark
Just thought I'd confirm the Aiptasia-X product didn't work for me either. After about 2 weeks the Aiptasia are back.
I'm going to shut my tank down, the infestation is so bad. Every piece of liverock is carpeted with Apitasia, like grass. Even had one growing on a live snail's shell!
Maybe leaving the liverock outdoors for a few weeks will do the trick, then start cycling all over.
i di that and they still servived:eek: only way i got rid of some was to boil the rock :mad:
yup boiling the rock will work.
hey guys just contact steve he is a very amenable person.
all his details are on the thread
Oh well you guys keep spending all (wasting) your money ...me I'll stick with my Kalc ( Calcium Hydroxide) but you won't use it of course cos.
a/ Its far too cheap for you.
B/ it works great.
I have never seen an Apt come back when I have zapped one with kalc but then I must just be lucky right?.
Oh and
C/ surely if you spend tens of pounds on something it must be better then the cheapo stuff I use right?..... well isnt it?
Come on guys WISE UP.
We use aiptasia x at work and it works fine we never have any come back when we treat all of them in a tank at once. bit difficult though on a 12000 litre reef as they all grow in the rockwork.
Ed
Oh well you guys keep spending all (wasting) your money ...me I'll stick with my Kalc ( Calcium Hydroxide) but you won't use it of course cos.
a/ Its far too cheap for you.
B/ it works great.
I have never seen an Apt come back when I have zapped one with kalc but then I must just be lucky right?.
Oh and
C/ surely if you spend tens of pounds on something it must be better then the cheapo stuff I use right?..... well isnt it?
Come on guys WISE UP.
im with you on this one bud!
kalk for the ones you can find and the alternative being natural predators aka peppermint shrimps etc
westiefish
08-01-09, 19:51
Oh well you guys keep spending all (wasting) your money ...me I'll stick with my Kalc ( Calcium Hydroxide) but you won't use it of course cos.
a/ Its far too cheap for you.
B/ it works great.
I have never seen an Apt come back when I have zapped one with kalc but then I must just be lucky right?.
Oh and
C/ surely if you spend tens of pounds on something it must be better then the cheapo stuff I use right?..... well isnt it?
Come on guys WISE UP.
Before i buy a copperband and see it starve to death i think i will take your advice and zap the ones i can get to.
Did you just mix say a teaspoon full of kalkwasser with ro water and syringe it into them?
Many thanks Mark
Before i buy a copperband and see it starve to death i think i will take your advice and zap the ones i can get to.
Did you just mix say a teaspoon full of kalkwasser with ro water and syringe it into them?
Many thanks Mark
Ok Mark here's how I zap em.
Turn off your circ pumps or it may get swept around the tank.
I mix a small amount of Kalc to RO water approx 3 parts water to 1 kalc.
I drawthe mixture up into a syringe with a length of RO tube connected to it no needle is used I find a needle isnt neccessary.
I then hold the syringe with the RO tube tip over the Aps not touching but close to it and allow the kalc to run out and pour over the Apt. You should find it will run out just like salt from a salt seller. Just allow enough Kalc to cover the Aps completely. Its will take a few seconds for the Aps to react and draw itself in but its to late for it you have zapped it. Leave a few mins then turn your circ pumps back on. :dance:
westiefish
09-01-09, 09:07
Ok Mark here's how I zap em.
Turn off your circ pumps or it may get swept around the tank.
I mix a small amount of Kalc to RO water approx 3 parts water to 1 kalc.
I drawthe mixture up into a syringe with a length of RO tube connected to it no needle is used I find a needle isnt neccessary.
I then hold the syringe with the RO tube tip over the Aps not touching but close to it and allow the kalc to run out and pour over the Apt. You should find it will run out just like salt from a salt seller. Just allow enough Kalc to cover the Aps completely. Its will take a few seconds for the Aps to react and draw itself in but its to late for it you have zapped it. Leave a few mins then turn your circ pumps back on. :dance:
Thanks pal, will let you know how i get on.
Cheers Mark
banner fish love aptaisia,copperband butterflies do to butt,they die when the apps gone,aptasia x just causes more by releasing plenum when it bursts,ive had a banner fish now for 2 months and every bit of aptaisia is gone ,he is still healthy and feeding and cheaper than a copperband and 10 bottles of aptaisia x
redseasteve
22-01-09, 19:35
Aiptasia-X does not cause more Aiptasia when used properly. I think you are referring to "Planula" which are larval stage anemones released when the Aiptasia is threatened. The point of Aipt-X is specifically that instead of injecting the aiptasia (like most other treatments), there is an attractant in the formula which means the aiptasia ingests the treatment. Aiptasia are notoriously difficult to treat, however we have received many emails and comments from people who have used Aipt-X to sort their problem. We will be testing some samples received back from those of you who have not had the success we would expect, and we will keep you posted as promised.
Steve, i'm not knocking Aipt-X, I could hardly do that never used it myself (simply because I have never had the need I guess). I was thinking it maybe a good idea to test Aipt-X against the use of kalc administered the way I do it. I can't ever recall an Aip coming back after I have zapped one using the method I have devised and its both its simple and effective. However I will understand if you don't wish to.
many thanks steve for my replacment bottles and i will give them a test.
the aiptasia probably comes back cause there's a tiny few hiding somewhere in the spot you missed. unless you're boiling every rock in there. i've tiny ones in the sand bed and the glass too :annoyed:
just wondering, when you cover a big one with Aiptasia X, they curl up and just dies? what would happen to the body? wouldn't it start decaying and all
the garden flat
16-02-09, 19:36
ok have read this thread over the last few weeks, well as much as poss.
Story, went out bought some aiptasia x INSTEAD of joes juice which i would hae prefered to go with but this was apparently better.
Used it couple of times in my tank, followed the instructions to the word, unlike usual with most prodcuts ;)
And.........
I now have a huge conoly of the bloody things on one rock in particular...
Now i am moving all my rock over to a new, bigger tank prob by the end of this week but i am worreid about moving certain pieces over due to this any advice would be great...
And, oh yea the person who works for red sea...if you fancy taking mine back too because I promise you this stuff doesn't work.
Until proven wrong as the say :)
Thanks pal, will let you know how i get on.
Cheers Mark
Well Mark have you tried my method and if so how did it fair mate?
the garden flat
16-02-09, 19:54
what about me!!!!!
It works for me as much as joe's juice and any of the other 'zapping' methods can do. The problem as I said before is (IMO) simply that you cannot find every single one. And as we know one becomes many. This is not a fault of the product per se but a flaw in the overall concept. JMO as ever.....
what about me!!!!!
What about you what? :whistling:
many thanks steve for my replacment bottles and i will give them a test.
would you keep us posted rory on how you get on with the replacement bottles:thanks:
I don't understand why it hasn't worked for you guys............I bought some second hand LR that was covered in the bloody stuff (I didn't know what Aiptasia was at the time) and Aiptasia-X got rid of it all. There was the odd small one growing here and there after a while, so I just Zapped them too.
Before:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc211/whipitup/Before-2.jpg
After
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc211/whipitup/After-2.jpg
Most of my rocks where like that, they are now all clear, I still have them in my tank, and I still have some of the Aiptasia-X left.
redseasteve
17-02-09, 13:06
We keep samples of every batch we produce and I even took some of the returned samples to our lab for testing. 3 weeks on and none of the aiptasia have returned. We have tested on several types of pest anemone and continue to get great reviews elsewhere. All I can tell you is that when we tested we followed the instructions and ensured the flow pumps were turned off for a while. We treated a variety of sizes of aiptasia and the product proved to be 100% effective. If there is one aipt in yout rank there ar elikely to be more in varying stages of growth and it is highly likely it is these that are being seen. Our test included treating a clean tank where we had placed 1 aiptasia so we could clearly monitor the effects.
spiderdave
02-05-09, 01:24
hi i have the same problem, in my home sys i have used aptasia x and the only way I had any sucsess is to treat them a few times and this is the only way i have had any joy with this product. the problem i have now is an aquarium i look after has about 20 or so large aptasia and is 6 foot long by 3 foot deep by just over 2 foot wide, there is no way i can get to them all with any products, any ideas ?
Fishmansfrags Peppermint Shrimps..................I've seen his eat Aiptasia.
I have gone back to Joes Juice...that does work! cannot have prp shrim[ as Blue throat will eat them!
wayne in norway
02-05-09, 06:51
Joes Juice has the same problem, and so does kalk. If you understand that every time you see an adult aiptasia there are a mass of small ones at the base of it - they breed by pedal laceration, not by spitting out spores, eggs, whatever. Kill the big one and one of the small ones grows to replace, appearing a couple of weeks later and people think it's the first one magically regrowing. You either need to go thro' a long process of killing the aiptasia and/or at the same time you need to stop feeding the things. Aiptasia thrive in well lit reef tanks with EXCESS PARTICULATE FOOD. If you have a lot of aips you need to look at how you are feeding your tank. They do not live on fresh air and love.
FWIW re an earlier thread there are different species of aiptasia, however they are very similar. Having read every post in this thread I haven't seen one case that is exceptional to the premise the tank is being overfed.
Joes Juice has the same problem, and so does kalk. If you understand that every time you see an adult aiptasia there are a mass of small ones at the base of it - they breed by pedal laceration, not by spitting out spores, eggs, whatever. Kill the big one and one of the small ones grows to replace, appearing a couple of weeks later and people think it's the first one magically regrowing. You either need to go thro' a long process of killing the aiptasia and/or at the same time you need to stop feeding the things. Aiptasia thrive in well lit reef tanks with EXCESS PARTICULATE FOOD. If you have a lot of aips you need to look at how you are feeding your tank. They do not live on fresh air and love.
FWIW re an earlier thread there are different species of aiptasia, however they are very similar. Having read every post in this thread I haven't seen one case that is exceptional to the premise the tank is being overfed.
IME Kalk can get rid of aps, I have done it using Kalk. I have not seen an Aps for quite sometime now in my tank. Using it the way I recommend and providing you don't have lots of them to start off with, zap em as soon as you see them then you can get rid of them altogether. Lucky? I dont think so, persistant yes and it did take sometime to rid the tank of them all.
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